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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#203101: Feb 26th 2020 at 10:14:25 AM

[tup] Ibrahim.

[tup] Gessler.

[tup] Ivan.

[tup] Rudi.

[tup] the Crooked Man

And yes to keeping Blight, lesser crimes or no, they still make it clear his bioweapon was going to kill a helluva lot of people in a slow and horrible way, that almost made the terrorists reluctant to use it. That still seals the deal for me.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#203102: Feb 26th 2020 at 10:20:59 AM

I agree that Blight entry is not focused on his most heinous deeds, preferring to focus on more tame generic acts. It's just compared to Douglas Tan and The Joker, Blight seems very tame, if we compare their entries.

Edited by VeryVileVillian on Feb 26th 2020 at 9:21:53 PM

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#203103: Feb 26th 2020 at 10:22:18 AM

Then if we need, and should we all be universal he still keeps? I'd be happy to give him a rewrite. Tag him on my to-do, ACW: I'll get to it before or after I finish Hellboy.

[down][down] The second Black Flame, Landis Pope. That's it.

Edited by Scraggle on Feb 26th 2020 at 11:30:25 AM

emperors Messenger from another dimension. Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Messenger from another dimension.
#203104: Feb 26th 2020 at 10:25:39 AM

I will be fine if he stays, but rewrite would be very welcome.

Welcome to the world of greatest media!
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#203105: Feb 26th 2020 at 10:25:42 AM

[up][up] Done.

How many more Hellboy candidates you got?

Edited by ACW on Feb 26th 2020 at 1:28:21 PM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#203106: Feb 26th 2020 at 10:26:41 AM

Yeah that entry definitely needs a rewrite.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 26th 2020 at 12:27:01 PM

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futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#203107: Feb 26th 2020 at 10:26:44 AM

Yeah [tup] to keeping Blight.

ACW cleared this, but anyone object to me doing the latest Fanscription two-parter tonight rather than tomorrow like I originally asked?

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#203108: Feb 26th 2020 at 10:28:24 AM

[up]I'm okay with it. I mean the series basically fanfics, but in video form. Not like massive tv shows or movies.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 26th 2020 at 12:28:54 PM

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#203109: Feb 26th 2020 at 10:35:40 AM

I'm fine with that

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#203111: Feb 26th 2020 at 10:39:20 AM

It's also worth noting that Blight has quite a few extra crimes in the canon Batman Beyond comics, like nearly causing a nuclear meltdown that will kill everything in a four-mile radius including a shit ton of homeless families.

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#203112: Feb 26th 2020 at 10:40:46 AM

Okay, yeah, he seems like a keeper, but DEFINITELY needing a rewrite.

captainmarkle Limited Patients from Behind you Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#203113: Feb 26th 2020 at 10:44:07 AM

[tup] Rudi and the Crooked Man

I'd be in favour of Blight getting a rewrite, possibly including the comic stuff, but I think he should stay

Trans rights are human rights. If you don't think that, please leave.
Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#203114: Feb 26th 2020 at 10:55:57 AM

[tup] to keeping Blight and giving him a much needed rewrite.

PureGrainAlkaSeltzer The Lord Of Walruses from 1200 Pennsylvania Ave Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
The Lord Of Walruses
#203115: Feb 26th 2020 at 10:59:20 AM

Keep Blight

I have no idea what I am doing
KingofNightmares Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#203116: Feb 26th 2020 at 11:05:23 AM

Keep and rewrite Blight, including the comic stuff

Speaking of cuts, though, there's someone I want to talk about.

Some time ago, ANewMan requested the cut for Xerosic from the Pokemon anime, under the idea that he fails the heinous standard, but this was turned down because of him "being a Single-Issue Wonk." Looking back on it though, he had a point. Xerosic doesn't do anything unique for the Pokemon Anime. Torturing Pokemon was already done by Vicious, Dr. Yung, Grings Kodai and Alva. Brainwashing Pokemon was done by Vicious, Team Plasma and Alva. Causing destruction was done by many villains to the point that it isn't unique. His attempt at killing off humanity was originally Lysandre's idea. Nothing he does is unique.

I also find it worth noting that the original EP doesn't bring up the entire heinous standard, only how Xerosic compares to Lysandre without mentioning how he compares to the other villains like J, Cyrus, Kodai, Alva or anyone else.

Edited by KingofNightmares on Feb 26th 2020 at 11:05:45 AM

"It was the best of times, it was the BLURST of times?"
Pemulis_128 A 20th Century Boy from Teleporting behind you Since: Jul, 2018 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
A 20th Century Boy
#203117: Feb 26th 2020 at 11:10:39 AM

Since the Jinmen entry got rewritten, expanded, and split, is the Grimoire incarnation of him (who was briefly mentioned in the original entry) going to be effort-posted?

Awesomekid42 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: It was only a kiss
#203118: Feb 26th 2020 at 11:12:10 AM

I mean, from the looks of things, the fact that Xerosic does all of those things together (while even other listed CMs such as Kodai and J only do one or two, and how in J's case, you could say the same for her in regards to her crimes being done before) along with how not being unique doesn't equate to not being heinous, I'm not particularly convinced with that argument. He can do similar crimes and take it to greater scales.

Edited by Awesomekid42 on Feb 26th 2020 at 3:02:55 PM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#203119: Feb 26th 2020 at 11:14:45 AM

Lighty said he's buying the manga book to ep him. Since its a completely separate contuity. Hell need to be discussed on his own even if he's likely an easy keep.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#203120: Feb 26th 2020 at 11:23:02 AM

If Lighty doesn't want to or is willing, I'd take Grimoire!Jinmen. I want a Jinmen, and I feel like I'd like the work, what with its Gorn and Fanservice.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#203121: Feb 26th 2020 at 11:23:34 AM

Still planning on getting the volumes.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#203122: Feb 26th 2020 at 11:27:23 AM

I'm not sure it's translated online either. So it seems you'd need to buy it to ep anyone.

Also could we discuss xersoic for real. That is a good point that he doesn't really do anything uniquely heinous.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#203123: Feb 26th 2020 at 11:31:21 AM

I said cut Xerosic then and I'll say cut him now. I buy more into the idea of a possible redemption offered for him in the end (remember he leaves the series seeming to sincerely contemplate the Shut Up, Hannibal! moment given toward him) given that's the fate of game counterpart, in very similar circumstances to the anime. That entirely aside, I agree entirely with the notion he's not really pushing it for the anime.

Edited by Scraggle on Feb 26th 2020 at 12:32:53 PM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#203125: Feb 26th 2020 at 11:36:59 AM

I'll have to stay out of it. I know next to nothing about Pokemon. I'm more of a Digimon guy. So I feel unqualified to judge.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 26th 2020 at 1:37:36 PM

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