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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#202976: Feb 25th 2020 at 6:54:06 AM

[up][up] Nyarlathotep is an Outer God.

[tup] Haruka.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#202977: Feb 25th 2020 at 7:01:47 AM

[tup] Ripple Man, though how does he compare to the current keeper from Pipe Dreams?

[tup] Haruka.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#202978: Feb 25th 2020 at 7:08:20 AM

[tup]Haruka

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
TheImmortalAngelNewton The MILF Virus Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The MILF Virus
#202979: Feb 25th 2020 at 7:09:20 AM

Does anyone know how to capture an image from a video and turn into Imgur? I'm thinking about proposing the scene where he assaults Stella and Kaori as one, though is NSWF allowed?

Allow me, take my hand and never let go, promise? - Giselle
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#202981: Feb 25th 2020 at 7:14:17 AM

Yes to Haruka there. My final Hellboy one will be soon

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#202982: Feb 25th 2020 at 7:15:26 AM

[up][up][up] If it's just violence? Debatable. If there's more? I'd be hesitant.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#202983: Feb 25th 2020 at 7:16:12 AM

Agreed. I'd rather it not be too grotesque or overly sexual

TheImmortalAngelNewton The MILF Virus Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The MILF Virus
#202984: Feb 25th 2020 at 7:17:03 AM

[up][up] Umm... it's a sexual assault scene. There is no actual nudity except for the dildo Haruka holds, but yeah. I was only considering it since I was really horrified by it. I can send a link of the CG though it's not imgur.

Edited by TheImmortalAngelNewton on Feb 25th 2020 at 7:20:19 AM

Allow me, take my hand and never let go, promise? - Giselle
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#202985: Feb 25th 2020 at 7:19:38 AM

Bad idea, would be my opinion.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#202986: Feb 25th 2020 at 7:34:10 AM

Yeah, that'd be VERY iffy.

Edited by ACW on Feb 25th 2020 at 10:34:15 AM

dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#202987: Feb 25th 2020 at 7:37:01 AM

Don't send those sort of images to each other. People got in trouble for that on these forums before.

"I squirm, I struggle, ergo I am. Faced with death, I am finally, truly alive."
CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#202989: Feb 25th 2020 at 8:55:17 AM

For When a Stranger Calls. The stranger counts in both films right (original 1979 film and 2006 remake)?

Because the ymmv page indicates it's just his remake version while the main version seems to imply both count

Edited by miraculous on Feb 25th 2020 at 8:55:27 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
AFreakyDude Since: Jul, 2015
#202990: Feb 25th 2020 at 8:59:58 AM

Look what I found in Tennis Shoes Adventure Series.

Whoever put that there didn’t even bother to put a write up on these characters, only gave out names.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#202991: Feb 25th 2020 at 9:00:06 AM

[up][up] Good question, don't know the answer. And it looked like discussion was in 2013-2014, which doesn't help things (I think that was before EPs were really a thing).

[up] Cut, PM the troper.

Edited by ACW on Feb 25th 2020 at 12:00:40 PM

Stellarvore Since: Apr, 2016
#202992: Feb 25th 2020 at 10:21:26 AM

Regarding When a Stranger Calls, under the YMMV page:

  • Cry for the Devil: Most people forget that the original continued beyond the twenty-two minute mark, and was just gushing with this.

It's been a while since I watched it, so I can't say for myself.

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#202993: Feb 25th 2020 at 10:30:38 AM

[up] I'm... honestly not sure what that's even supposed to mean. TBH, I suspect whoever added that might've gotten Cry for the Devil mixed up with All There Is To Know About The Crying Game.

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#202994: Feb 25th 2020 at 10:38:32 AM

[up][up]So, what was Cry for the Devil moment? I didn't really get what the entry was saying.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#202995: Feb 25th 2020 at 10:39:26 AM

[up][up][up]Okay What happens exactly. That's the definition of a Zero Context Example in that it tells you jackshit on what occurred.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#202996: Feb 25th 2020 at 10:42:10 AM

Oh, I remember this...only the remake Stranger was proposed. I think the original might've had genuine mental problems

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#202997: Feb 25th 2020 at 10:44:40 AM

Could we change it on the main page then to reflect its only the 2006 remake version if thats true.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#202998: Feb 25th 2020 at 10:51:52 AM

Okay. I just finished Harley Quinn Season 1. PM me if you're interested in my opinion on if anyone might count or just want to talk about it.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 25th 2020 at 12:55:46 PM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
PureGrainAlkaSeltzer The Lord Of Walruses from 1200 Pennsylvania Ave Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
The Lord Of Walruses
#202999: Feb 25th 2020 at 10:54:25 AM

[tup] to Ripple Man and Haru. [tdown] to Phiro.

[up][up] We could just put something like “In the 2006 remake of the 1979 horror film” before the write up gets into the details. That would probably work.

Edited by PureGrainAlkaSeltzer on Feb 25th 2020 at 12:58:41 PM

I have no idea what I am doing
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#203000: Feb 25th 2020 at 10:55:22 AM

[up][up][up] Got it. Also fixed a spelling error.


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