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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#202926: Feb 24th 2020 at 1:07:01 PM

I remember that dude. Being fair. He was epd alongside Arthur Blessard who alone was clearly worse...

Edited by miraculous on Feb 24th 2020 at 1:09:47 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#202927: Feb 24th 2020 at 1:12:43 PM

[tup]Sawyer (scary thing is that fucks like that exist in real life) and Jonathan

I'll add the slight rewrite to Fanfic!Aerys to the drafts

Edited by nwotyzal on Feb 24th 2020 at 1:15:18 AM

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#202929: Feb 24th 2020 at 1:34:14 PM

For an image for Monster.Law And Order

Victor Paul Gitano

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#202931: Feb 24th 2020 at 1:40:53 PM

Not feeling it. He looks like he’s defending a very apathetic child

dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#202932: Feb 24th 2020 at 1:43:12 PM

I'm going to say [tdown] to the image as well. It looks too much like a scene from that one movie (I can't remember what it's called) about a samurai defending a cat.

"I squirm, I struggle, ergo I am. Faced with death, I am finally, truly alive."
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#202933: Feb 24th 2020 at 1:43:35 PM

I'll try and find an after shot of him slashing (going off the entry) the kids throat. Hopefully it's not too graphic.

Edited by miraculous on Feb 24th 2020 at 1:44:01 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#202934: Feb 24th 2020 at 1:57:34 PM

Not to be rude but I'm not sure if Klavice and Critica7 have read my EP or at least I'm not sure if they have gone though it very thoroughly, they both seem to think that she's the one sacrificing people to Gorfinax when she isn't the one doing that.

Edited by papyru30 on Feb 24th 2020 at 2:58:06 AM

Critica7 Self-Declared King of Everything from Smallville Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Self-Declared King of Everything
#202935: Feb 24th 2020 at 2:13:59 PM

I read it while listening to a podcast, so I wasn't paying full attention. I'll switch to abstain.

Check out my current fanfiction project.
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#202936: Feb 24th 2020 at 2:58:56 PM

I'm going to abstain on Phiro, the heinous standard gives me concerns.

SkyCat32 (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#202937: Feb 24th 2020 at 3:11:27 PM

The image is kinda meh in my opinion.

Addendum: I may have found 2 better images of The Beast

Edited by SkyCat32 on Feb 24th 2020 at 6:33:19 AM

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#202938: Feb 24th 2020 at 4:16:03 PM

[up] The first one looks more like BDSM than anything monstrous. Though maybe it being so small has something to do with it. Second one... well, I'm tired right now, so maybe there's something I'm missing, but it just looks like he's grabbing her by the hair.

papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#202940: Feb 24th 2020 at 4:27:59 PM

no to both images, maybe you could get one from his last episode where he kills a cop and plays russian roulette with Benson.

SkyCat32 (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#202941: Feb 24th 2020 at 5:57:22 PM

Couldn't find any good ones from "the beast's obsession", but I at least found a pic where lewis had a gun in addition to having taped Benson's mouth. I just hope it's not too generic.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/e8244bc0_2fed_48ed_9116_41f2b0cfd57a.jpeg

Edit: I'll take it to the Image suggestion thread if enough people agree.

[down][down] I didn't notice that. Does it detract from the image?

Edited by SkyCat32 on Feb 24th 2020 at 9:43:05 AM

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#202943: Feb 24th 2020 at 6:03:29 PM

I like the image. But is it just me or is he holding something else while he holds the gun in the same hand.

[up][up] No it's still good. Just struck me as bit odd is all.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 24th 2020 at 8:19:00 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#202944: Feb 24th 2020 at 6:15:19 PM

Sure to that image.

Anyone wanna grab that Project Luminous thing with Star wars?

Things are really about to get Fun around here
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#202945: Feb 24th 2020 at 6:26:46 PM

Hmmm...I can check when it's out

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#202947: Feb 24th 2020 at 6:44:01 PM

Abstain on Phiro and while I'm busy as hell, I just wanna add this sentence to my Ragyo rewrite (goes right before the last one):

"While preparing for her apocalyptic endgoal, Ragyo has nearly all of humanity converted into enslaved, mindless COVERS to build herself an army and while Satsuki is held in her captivity, continues to subject the helpless young woman to further sexual assault."

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Stellarvore Since: Apr, 2016
#202949: Feb 24th 2020 at 7:58:08 PM

I'm thinking of creating a franchise page for Art the Clown after Terrifier 2 is released (there's also a third movie in the process of being written), so should all his entries be under the franchise page when I'm done with it? Or should I just not bother with the page at all? I know that all the Phantasm films are under one page, and so is the Tall Man's writeup, but I figure that since All Hallows' Eve and Terrifier are two separate continuities, it'd be best just to create a whole page for the franchise.

Speaking of which, I'm a little weirded out how there's a CM entry for the Emperor for each movie he's in, even if it's just one sentence long. Just seems a little excessive. Like shouldn't it just include a Monster.Star Wars pothole?

Edited by Stellarvore on Feb 24th 2020 at 9:58:30 AM

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#202950: Feb 24th 2020 at 8:00:51 PM

I'd go with making a whole franchise myself tbh.


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