TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

Go To

During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

     Previous Post 
Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#202676: Feb 22nd 2020 at 5:52:18 AM

New sherlock holmes example. The variety of villains is amazing from the books I've found.

What's the work?

Mycroft Holmes is a mystery novel by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Anna Waterhouse. It involves Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's character of Mycroft Holmes, the older brother of Sherlock Holmes, solving a mystery early in his career as a government official and is the first book in the mycroft and Sherlock series though Sherlock isn't a main character and instead a side one until the next book in the series.

Fresh out of Cambridge University, the young Mycroft Holmes is already making a name for himself in government, working for the Secretary of State for War. Yet this most British of civil servants has strong ties to the faraway island of Trinidad, the birthplace of his best friend, Cyrus Douglas, a man of African descent, and where his fiancée Georgiana Sutton was raised.

Mycroft’s comfortable existence is overturned when Douglas receives troubling reports from home. There are rumors of mysterious disappearances, strange footprints in the sand, and spirits enticing children to their deaths, their bodies found drained of blood. Upon hearing the news, Georgiana abruptly departs for Trinidad. Near panic, Mycroft convinces Douglas that they should follow her, drawing the two men into a web of dark secrets that grows more treacherous with each step they take...

Who is Adam Mc Guire ?

A cold, ruthless and racist businessman and all around scumbag who believes in the "superiority" of the white race. Mc Guire discovers that their is oil across the beaches of trindad and plans to use slaves as a way to gain workers for it. The problem of course us that slavery has been banned their and in Britain for decades. So Mc Guire has been illegally funneling slaves to that area and to keep the locales inline uses a horrific method to scare them from going to beach and discovering evidence of his operation. He kidnaps and murders their children in over a dozen and lays theirs bodies in the beach taking advantage of their beliefs to scare awaya the locales. Something that even his associates aren't aware off and would bak at.

Anyway Adam plans to spread his trade across the world even into areas where slavery is banned promising investors a more "humane and friendly version" of the trade and slAve treatment compared to the original trade. In reality, Mc Guire treats them horrifically. He has then chained, beaten , starved and into submission. Breaking their wills. Though making sure his investors don't see.

Anyway one of his associates Georgina whose Mycroft's fiance learns from when Mycfrot and Douglas are talking about the mysterious child murders that occupied in Trinidad. She balks at this since h in doing that is something he doesn't mention to his minions and rushes back to Trindad to find out for sure. Douglas and Mycroft head their to investigate and find out where she went. Adam sends assassins after them to scare them and a pickpocket to keep tabs omon them. When they run out their use. He has them murdered off. Douglas and Mycroft confront her s she's dying with Mycroft not being aware of all this horrid stuff she'd been doing and she does at least try to do something good by revealing where the prisoners are.

Douglas and Mycroft go to the island with the villagers to save the prisoners. Said slaves are kept chained to the guns being used to fight the invasion as human shields. Douglas and mycrrotc free them only for Mc Guire failsafe to blow the entire complex up with the slaves in it activates. Douglas and Mycfrot thabkfully survive and where able to save some.

Their confronted by Mc Guire who holds Douglas captive and reveals his intent to kill both of them. Douglas is able to knock him off balance before he's going to shoot mycroft and Mc Guire responds by shooting him and bringing mycrfot forward as he plans to beat him to death. Thankfully reinforcements arrive and shoot Mc Guire dead and Mycrrlt saves Douglas by getting him medical attention. With Mc Guire ironically for a hardcore racist dying at the hands of the villagers who were black and Chinese.

Freudian Excuse ?

Not in the slightest. Mycroft describes him as a main without a single drop of empathy for anyone but hinsleg. A derpaved killer.

Mitigating factors ?

Not really. Hes a hardcore racist scumbag who views his own white race as superior to others. But has absolutely no problem with killing other white people. It's just something he uses to make himself feel superior. In book even for the time he's considers to be extreme.

And even his men and associates are not aware of what a depraved monster he is as he hides it from them. He hides that hes a child serial killer and how horrid he treats his slaves from them. And doesn't show empathy for anyone in the book.

Heinous standard ?

Well yeah. Hes a child Serial Killer, monstrous slaver who beats and chains and whips his slaves and intends to bring the slave trade back. Easily over baseline and maybe one of the worst Sherlock holmes villains ever.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#202680: Feb 22nd 2020 at 6:56:33 AM

[tup] to Ming, Adam, and keeping Brad/Scarman. Abstain on Judson.

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#202681: Feb 22nd 2020 at 6:58:34 AM

[tup]McGuire

I have a question, how long will Night Huntress page will be in drafts?

Edited by VeryVileVillian on Feb 22nd 2020 at 5:58:48 PM

k410ren Since: Jan, 2016
#202682: Feb 22nd 2020 at 7:21:02 AM

[tup]Adam McGuire.

Is there anyone in the original Holmes canon who counts?

"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#202683: Feb 22nd 2020 at 7:26:47 AM

[up][up]I think Mir or Lighty have another candidate or 2.

[up] I don't think so. It's like Ghostbusters in that regard.

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
captainmarkle Limited Patients from Behind you Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#202685: Feb 22nd 2020 at 7:44:29 AM

[tup] Adam.

Trans rights are human rights. If you don't think that, please leave.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#202686: Feb 22nd 2020 at 7:54:25 AM

@acw: I think you can cut Tengu now. No one is in favour of keeping him anymore.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
Stellarvore Since: Apr, 2016
#202688: Feb 22nd 2020 at 8:46:18 AM

In that case, keep Brad/Scarman. I forgot just how brutal the kills were, and I suppose I'll take your word for the two being the same. I might watch it again sometime. Actually remember liking it.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#202689: Feb 22nd 2020 at 8:47:11 AM

I’m not involved in Night Huntresss

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#202690: Feb 22nd 2020 at 8:52:37 AM

Huh, I stand corrected. I think that SOMEONE(?) may have a few more, but I don't know for sure.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#202691: Feb 22nd 2020 at 8:52:46 AM

You can make Monster.Night Huntress already if you want. I won't get to it for a awhile.

Need to finish up some other stuff first.

Edited by miraculous on Feb 22nd 2020 at 8:55:34 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#202692: Feb 22nd 2020 at 9:08:34 AM

Oh and yes to Ming, keep Brad, yes to Adam.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#202694: Feb 22nd 2020 at 9:32:30 AM

Yes to Ming and McGuire.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#202696: Feb 22nd 2020 at 9:59:43 AM

[tup] Adam

  • Exodus's "The Ballad of Leonard and Charles": Leonard Lake and Charles Ng are a pair of murderers who enjoy kidnapping, torturing, and raping women in their small remote cabin. Not above killing children, the pair also love breaking their victims’ minds and souls as they film their murders. When finally caught and put on trial, Leonard commits suicide to escape prison, while Charles laughs at all the suffering he’s caused.

Since this song came before "BTK", it should go before that one.

It's Spooky Month!
Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#202697: Feb 22nd 2020 at 10:37:48 AM

@ACW: I think SkyCat is doing Night Huntress.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#202698: Feb 22nd 2020 at 10:57:17 AM

[tup] Adam McGuire

And, no, nothing in the original Holmes canon particularly jumps out at me.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Feb 22nd 2020 at 6:59:58 PM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#202699: Feb 22nd 2020 at 11:00:28 AM

Even better. It's funny but I think elementary's del grunner is the only cm we have other then the moriarty's whose an adaptation of a villain from the original stories. Everyone else we have on Monster.Sherlock Holmes is a Canon Foreigner

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Stellarvore Since: Apr, 2016
#202700: Feb 22nd 2020 at 11:39:41 AM

Guess I'm not doing Vlad after all. He has a redeeming quality. Dammit.

"But as thunderbolt from clearblue sky Message that father Dracul had died

Words have arrived that brother Mircea has been captured and buried alive Dracul swore that his killer, Hunyadi, wouldn't be able to survive".

Edited by Stellarvore on Feb 22nd 2020 at 1:39:51 PM


Total posts: 326,048
Top