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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#202151: Feb 19th 2020 at 11:50:46 AM

[tup]Two serial killers who I've never heard off before.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#202152: Feb 19th 2020 at 1:15:57 PM

[tup] Leonard and Charles. I remember reading about them, pure evil.

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#202153: Feb 19th 2020 at 1:30:43 PM

[tup] Kentos, Leonard, and Charles.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#202154: Feb 19th 2020 at 1:36:02 PM

[tup] to Vamprie Lord, Kentos, Leonard, and Charles

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#202155: Feb 19th 2020 at 1:36:51 PM

Yes to Vamprie Lord, Kentos, Leonard and Charles.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 19th 2020 at 3:37:08 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#202156: Feb 19th 2020 at 1:42:44 PM

[tup] to Leonard Lake and Charles Ng.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#202157: Feb 19th 2020 at 1:49:41 PM

Hey guys I'm going to take an extended period away from this site. My aunt just died. I just got the a few minutes ago.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 19th 2020 at 3:50:15 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#202158: Feb 19th 2020 at 1:52:01 PM

Sorry to hear that, Bullman. Hope you will be ok.

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
#202160: Feb 19th 2020 at 1:56:00 PM

Yes to the Hellboy trio, Kentos, and Leonard and Charles. Cut Brad.

Condolences, Bullman. Take as much time as you need.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#202161: Feb 19th 2020 at 1:57:20 PM

Sorry to hear that Bullman sadsadsad

With Lighty's permission, since RWBY's WAY past its 3rd season, a slight rewrite for Cinder:

  • Cinder Fall is a mysterious villain who desires to be "strong, feared and powerful". Working for Salem, Cinder recruited two young fighters named Mercury Black and Emerald Sustrai to attack Amber, the Fall Maiden, to drain her of her powers. In the Vytal tournament, Cinder exploits Emerald's powers of illusions to make the noble warrior Pyrrha accidentally rip apart the sentient robot Penny with her magnetism power, before using the ensuing panic to let the Grimm attack Vale and Beacon Academy—commenting how "beautiful" the carnage is while having the attack filmed. Murdering Amber to take the rest of her powers, Cinder defeats Pyrrha in a pitched fight before coldly executing her with an arrow that burns her from the inside out. Injured by Ruby's Silver Eyes powers, Cinder recovers in volume five where she coerces Raven and her tribe to join Salem, later sadistically mocking Jaune over Pyrrha's murder, impaling Weiss in front of Jaune to put another death on his conscience, and killing Raven's apprentice Vernal to take her Spring Maiden powers for herself. Cruel and ambitious, Cinder leaves the kingdoms and alliances of Remnant shattered in her quest for power.

Edited by ACW on Feb 19th 2020 at 6:16:02 AM

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#202162: Feb 19th 2020 at 2:06:05 PM

Think it'd be a good idea to reverse Adam and Cinders write ups?

Adam was put up as a CM later, but he was actually introduced first.

Things are really about to get Fun around here
captainmarkle Limited Patients from Behind you Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#202163: Feb 19th 2020 at 2:17:52 PM

[tup] Vampire Lord, Kentos, Leonard and Charles

Sorry for your loss, Bullman. Take all the time you need.

Trans rights are human rights. If you don't think that, please leave.
nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#202164: Feb 19th 2020 at 2:20:59 PM

[tup]All 3 Hellboy villains, Kretos, & Lake & Ng (looked them up, fucked up shit right there)

@Bullman been through that before, my condolences to you and your family

Edited by nwotyzal on Feb 19th 2020 at 2:24:05 AM

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#202165: Feb 19th 2020 at 2:21:40 PM

I don't watch RWBY but if all the wrestling to take down her being marked as Big Bad was accurate then I think putting Adam first if he appeared first makes sense (still don't really agree with Shou Tucker getting to go before Father due to 'infamy').

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#202166: Feb 19th 2020 at 2:47:18 PM

My condolences Bullman. Sorry for your loss.

Edited by MGD107 on Feb 19th 2020 at 2:50:44 AM

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#202167: Feb 19th 2020 at 2:49:13 PM

Sorry for your loss Bullman

Things are really about to get Fun around here
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#202168: Feb 19th 2020 at 2:51:15 PM

[up][up][up]Huh, maybe? I don't watch it either; I just know that bit about the first 3 seasons needed to be removed.

As for the order: Lighty, what say you?

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#202169: Feb 19th 2020 at 2:52:42 PM

Maybe change it from is the mysterious and make it is a mysterious villain. Since that flows a bit btter

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Stellarvore Since: Apr, 2016
#202170: Feb 19th 2020 at 3:08:38 PM

My condolences to you, Bullman.

Yes to the Vampire Lord, Kentos, and Lake and Ng (what an awful pair they were in real life, too. Saw some of the footage from their almost-snuff films).

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#202171: Feb 19th 2020 at 3:14:46 PM

[up][up] That works. Maybe Adam SHOULD go first?

And honestly, with Father being the Big Bad, I'd be fine with him going first.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#202172: Feb 19th 2020 at 3:16:57 PM

Did Adam appear first? I'm pretty sure Cinder is in like...the first actual scene, albeit in shadow, when she and Roman exit. I'd putfather first.

And yea to the killer duo there.

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#202173: Feb 19th 2020 at 3:18:41 PM

[up] Adam was in the "Black" trailer.

Condolences, Bullman.

Edited by ImperialMajestyXO on Feb 19th 2020 at 3:43:01 AM

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#202174: Feb 19th 2020 at 3:20:51 PM

Adam was introduced in one of the shorts Rooster Teeth released that built to the first episode. Interestingly its the most plot relevant of them(It shows How Blake left Adam)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ImKCt7BD4U4

[down] That's fair enough. The thing with RWBY is they sort of rely on those to introduce the characters and are essentially treated as part of the show

Edited by Kylotrope on Feb 19th 2020 at 1:32:32 AM

Things are really about to get Fun around here
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#202175: Feb 19th 2020 at 3:21:05 PM

Uh dunno do we wanna use a trailer to advertise the show over the actual show itself.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."

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