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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#202051: Feb 18th 2020 at 1:57:03 PM

I'll throw up my Dr. Venom write-up soon, but first? I have a few rewrites of some of my own entries that I think could do with condensing, given they were written back in my more-verbose days. Feedback is greatly appreciated for any of these:

Original:

  • Action Man (2000): Dr. X is the mastermind behind all the evil in the series, committing all his crimes in the name of evolving humanity into perfection for him to control. Before initiating his more monstrous actions, X, requiring a new body for himself, kidnaps a young man named Brendan Caine, subjects him to torturous experiments that turn him into a Super-Soldier, then transplants his own mind into Caine's body. X then becomes free to spread his influence worldwide, and immediately forms his Council of Doom, after which he begins various attempts to "test" humanity to determine which of them is most suitable to become part of his "Neo Humanity". These so-called tests range from trying to start a nuclear holocaust and flash freezing the entire planet, to infecting millions with a virus he hopes will lead to them ripping each other apart, leaving only the survivors for him to horrifically transform into his personal super soldiers. Showing numerous times that any well-intentioned claims are utter hypocrisy, not only does X regularly attempt to kill hundreds of innocents out of nothing but spite toward his Arch-Enemy, Action Man, but X's plans to "improve" humanity always amount to simply replicating his own mind onto everyone else. In the finale of the series, X finally loses whatever sense of reason he had when he decides to drag an asteroid to crash into the Earth and wipe out everything, including his own Council of Doom, then just rebuild humanity from scratch with himself as the base reference. A complete and total psychopath unable to comprehend the fact that imperfections are what makes humanity special, Dr. X was so convinced of his own godlike infallibility that he failed to realize just how maniacal and petty his goals were.

Rewrite:

Original:

  • Astro Boy: President Stone, at first seeming to be nothing more than an impulsive and childish leader, is slowly revealed to be far more wicked. Stone commissions Doctors Tenma and Elefun to build him a super robot, known as The Peacekeeper, and plans to use it to wage war with the harmless Surface-Dwellers. Despite the scientists' pleas, Stone uploads a highly dangerous power source into The Peacekeeper, resulting in the death of Tenma's son, an accident Stone barely acknowledges. Learning Tenma rebuilt his son as a robot and used another highly effective power source to give him life, Stone tries to capture or kill the boy to extract the power source, causing copious amounts of destruction to the city in the process. After detaining the child, now known as "Astro," Stone strong-arms Tenma into removing his power core, which would kill the boy. When Tenma refuses, leading to Astro escaping, Stone orders both Tenma and Elefun arrested and plans to have them executed. Stone then reactivates and takes control of The Peacekeeper, starts destroying the city looking for Astro, and prepares to crush several of Astro's friends, all children, trying to draw him out. Doing everything in the hopes that he would be re-elected, Stone was power-hungry, delusional, and sociopathic for an ultimately petty reason.

Rewrite:

  • Astro Boy: President Stone's apparent stupidity and childishness truthfully mask a murderous and ambitious personality. Stone alienates, withholds resources for, and threatens war against the downtrodden Surface-Dwellers out of an insane belief it will assure his reelection, and commissions scientists Tenma and Elefun to develop the powerful Peacekeeper robot to better serve in his useless war. When his own carelessness and power lust result in the death of Tenma's son, Stone shrugs it off and continues to force Tenma and Elefun's compliance under threat of execution. After Tenma rebuilds his son as a robot named "Astro," Stone endangers countless people to capture the boy, mocks him over his lack of true humanity, and tries to rip out of his power core to power the Peacekeeper. Upon merging with and assuming control of the Peacekeeper, Stone begins destroying the city and threatens to crush Astro's numerous friends to death to draw him out and kill him, focused solely on finalizing his plans to lay waste to the Surface-Dwellers and continue his rule as president.

Original:

  • White Is the Coldest Colour and When Evil Calls Your Name: In these Crime Novels by John Nicholl, Dr. David Galbraith is a sociopathic pedophile who targets young boys, starting as young as 3 or 4 years old. A child psychologist, Galbraith uses his profession to lure the children to his home, where he tortures and molests them for days on end, films the ordeals, then manipulates the kids into keeping quiet. Galbraith is also the leader of a pedophile ring, and regularly calls meetings which involve each member bringing a few kids for them to take turns molesting. At each meeting's end, Galbraith guts a small animal in front of the children, swearing he'll do the same to them if they incriminate him. After accidentally murdering one of his victims, Galbraith psychologically tears down his accomplice in the crime until he commits suicide. Years ago, Galbraith targetted a young woman named Cynthia as a "test subject" for his psychological research, and, after murdering the woman's then-current fiancee, subjected her to horrific psychological torment, turning her into his abused slave. When Cynthia had two children from Galbraith raping her, Galbraith was furious that the kids were female, and thereby not his "type" to molest, and began physically abusing them and their mother as a result. Having over a hundred victims, Galbraith kidnaps his latest target, Anthony, from his home after trying to bludgeon the boy's mother to death, and plans to record himself torturing Anthony to death then send the recording to his family. When Cynthia finally stands up to him in an attempt to save Anthony, Galbraith assaults her, then tries to kill the boy, at which point he plans to torture his wife to death for defying him. Homicidal and sadistic, Dr. David Galbraith was a monstrous and repulsive pedophile of the highest order of depravity.

Rewrite:

  • White is the Coldest Colour and When Evil Calls Your Name by John Nicholl: Dr. David Galbraith is an absolutely vile child molester and sexual abuser, using his position as a child psychologist to target boys as young as three years old for abuse, rape, and even horrific torture, before shaming and humiliating the children into keeping silent about it. Galbraith subjects his wife Cynthia—who he gained by murdering the fiance of—and two daughters to horrible physical and mental torments out of hatred at his children not being boys he can molest, and runs a massive pedophile ring in his free time that he runs his own daughters through. Often killing small animals in front of children to further terrify them into compliance, Galbraith tortures one of his victims to death and then tears down his accomplice into suicide to eliminate him as a witness. Upon choosing his latest victim Anthony, Galbraith, as revenge against the boy's family for thwarting his many attempts at abusing Anthony, bludgeons his mother to near-death then plans to torture the child to death, filming the whole thing on video and then send the footage to his family. When Cynthia tries to save Anthony from Galbraith, Galbraith responds by brutally beating the woman into submission and then promising to subject her to torture for the rest of her life for crossing him.

Original:

  • ERASED: The Serial Killer, Gaku Yashiro, is the intelligent and psychopathic mastermind behind almost all of the terrible events in the story. As a child, the killer felt bored and "empty" in life, and as a result, began performing wicked actions to bring thrill into his life, from drowning numerous hamsters, to luring little girls to his violent older brother who would rape them. After killing said brother and getting away with it, he became obsessed with the thrill he acheived by murdering people, and to this end, began kidnapping and brutally murdering little girls and framing innocents for his crimes, and, when his fiancée became suspicious of his crimes, he flung her out of a window and made it look like a suicide. Spending decades kidnapping, murdering, and framing innocents, the killer spurs Satoru Fujinuma into action when he viciously murders the man's mother and frames him for it. When Satoru is sent back in time to save three children from Yashiro, Yashiro attempts to drown him, now 11 years old, for thwarting his plans, which results in Satoru being plunged into a coma for 15 years, throughout which Yashiro murdered his way into a political position. Luring a now-awake Satoru to an isolated campsite along with Kumi, a young leukemia patient, Yashiro plans to drown Kumi while forcing Satoru to watch, before burning him alive. Even when beaten, Yashiro, refusing to be arrested for his crimes, tries to kill both himself and Satoru in one fell swoop. Claiming he is no worse than anyone else simply because he murders people, the killer used his "unfulfillment" as an excuse to perpetrate his decades-long list of atrocities.

Rewrite:

  • ERASED: The Serial Killer, Gaku Yashiro, is the intelligent and gleefully sadistic murderer driving the plot forward with his killings. His cruel tendencies arising as a child who alleviated his boredom by drowning pets and luring young girls to his rapist older brother, the killer eventually murdered said older brother and gained a taste for killing, primarily of young children. As an adult carrying out his long-time fantasies of killing dozens of children and framing innocent people for the crimes, the killer flings his fiance out of a window when she becomes suspicious of his crimes and stabs Sachiko Fujinima to death when she realizes his true identity. When Sachiko's time-traveling son Satoru tries to thwart his crimes in the past, the killer tries to drown Satoru before murdering his way into a political position solely to allow himself easier access to potential victims. In his final confrontation with Satoru, the killer tries to drown the man's close friend Kumi while forcing Satoru to watch, before attempting to evade capture for his crimes by burning himself and Satoru alive, bragging even in defeat how he has done nothing morally wrong, merely indulged in a hobby he truly enjoyed.

Edited by Ravok on Feb 18th 2020 at 2:03:03 AM

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#202052: Feb 18th 2020 at 2:19:58 PM

The Action Man rewrite has a pothole issue. Other than that, good.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
captainmarkle Limited Patients from Behind you Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#202054: Feb 18th 2020 at 2:40:14 PM

I'm all good with the writeups, the one pothole issue aside.

For Watts, I'm wondering if his inflicting collateral damage (traffic collisions) in Atlas for shits and giggles is worth mentioning in his entry, as that's what persuaded a few of us to go [tup]. He's also a doctor so counts as Morally Ambiguous Doctorate for trope links; Otherwise all good, and what I flagged up is hardly "I'll lose sleep" worthy

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Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#202055: Feb 18th 2020 at 2:54:28 PM

I mean, I don't think its noteworth?

Its pretty brief and he causes one dudes car to crash.

Things are really about to get Fun around here
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#202056: Feb 18th 2020 at 4:32:33 PM

The rewrites look good to me.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 18th 2020 at 6:32:51 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Stellarvore Since: Apr, 2016
#202057: Feb 18th 2020 at 4:35:44 PM

What's the work?

Venom's Black Metal is the Trope Namer (and depending on who you ask, possibly the Trope Maker) for ... well ... Black Metal. This song in particular, "Countess Bathory", is about — surprise surprise ...

Who is Countess Bathory? What has she done?

Does it even really NEED to be said who she is at this point? Pretty sure almost everyone here knows. But I'll cut to the chase, as described in the song, she lures young virgin girls in to "live a noble life", and acts the part of a hospitable host. When night comes, though, she "rapes them of their blood" (yes, those are the actual lyrics), bathing in it to slow down her aging. Eventually, she gets her comeuppance, imprisoned in her own castle and dying.

Heinous standard?

Main antagonist of the song; sets it.

Mitigating factors?

Really? REALLY? Obviously, a lot of rumors and lies have been spread about her over the centuries (the Blood Bath, for instance, ironically her claim to fame), and as discussed not long ago in this thread, it's possible she was framed, but in the context of the song ... nah.

Verdict?

The Blood Countess is a keeper ... again.

Edited by Stellarvore on Feb 18th 2020 at 6:36:34 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#202058: Feb 18th 2020 at 4:37:57 PM

[tup] Bathory. 6 of her 15 CM incarnations will have come from Music.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#202060: Feb 18th 2020 at 5:05:38 PM

Yes to Bathory.

You know, it's been a pretty slow day (and a long one at that on my end). And it's midnight somewhere. And I'm about to go to a movie. While it's been thirteen days since the story was posted, I don't think we'd be loosing sleep from a creepypasta villain getting posted a night early.

I Was Claimed By A Skinwalker is a two part creepypasta originating from Reddit, written by bloodhunter62. The guy doesn't have that much stories to his name, but he has a thing for Skinwalkers and Wendigos.

Now reading the first story, the Skinwalker isn't anything special really, being a typical "camping trip gone wrong" story. But in its sequel it gets a little personal when it comes to cruelty, that I think it could have a shot.

Who is the Skinwalker ? What does it do ?

For those who don't know, Skinwalkers are Navajo witches who have the ability to shift into any animal or disguise themselves as people whose skin they take. According to legend and popular belief, they have a tendency to stalk people, especially by mimic the loved ones of potential victims to torment them. And according to some beliefs, know when they are being talked or thought about.

One such Skinwalker is the focus of these two stories, having a fixation on the protagonist Jake Payne.

Jake is a college student on his last year, and decides to go on a camping trip with his friends Chase, Aljo, Cori, and Jake's adorable girlfriend Blair. The Skinwalker itself doesn't make its presence known until the midway point of the story after the story is done Developing Doomed Characters. First appearing as a growling deer Jake and Aljo spot on a hunting trip. Later on, Jake's stoner friend Chase disappears from the camp, and Aljo elects to go look for him. Chase returns to the camp, and it's become pretty clear that the Skinwalker has either possessed him or taken his skin. With Aljo unaccounted for, eventually Chase and Cori disappear in the middle of the night, prompting Jake and Blair to go looking for them.

Eventually Jake finds Chase and Aljo's bodies in severe stages of mutilation. He also refused to describe Cori's body when he finds it. It's at this point the Skinwalker reveals its possessing or wearing the skin of Blair. "She" proceeds to stab Jake through the face with an arrow and disfigure his face as "she" rips it out. She begins to mutilate and torture Jake, before using the arrow to care "Naalyéhé", the Navajo word for "property" into his chest. Jake manages to stab it in the eye with a stonehead, driving it off before the collapses into unconsciousness.

Jake later explains that he was found by another group of campers and airlifted to a hospital and ends the first story by lamenting how he is now the Skinwalker's property.

The sequel picks up a year later and quite frankly, Jake's life sucks. He's been disfigured by the experience, has become a shut in from society and the only reason he doesn't kill himself is because he doesn't have it in him. On top of that, the Skinwalker constantly torments him in his dreams constantly appearing as Blair's mutilated form, mockingly mimicking her affectionate personality. These dreams consist of him watching his friends being murdered and kept in torment, as well as being Jake himself being tortured. At one point the Skinwalker breaks Jake's arm, which carries over when he awakes.

Eventually Jake starts working for a suicide hotline, where he meets his charming co-worker Lana. They quickly bond, and soon start dating. The Skinwalker appears to Jake, once again mimicking Blair, telling him it'll leave him and Lana alone from now on before it seemingly disappears for good. Over time Jake begins putting his life back together, having not seen or sensed the Skinwalker for weeks.

...until the Skinwalker appears to him one last time, when he has Lana over. Jake seemingly strangles it to death...only to wake up and realizing he strangled Lana to death. The story ends with Jake giving into despair and preparing a noose to hang himself.

Mitigating Qualities ?

Only villain in these stories; the first story depicts the Skinwalker as more of a rampaging monster that brutally slaughters Jake's friends and girlfriend, and sadistically tortures and disfigures Jake himself. The second story plays more with the Skinwalker being a psychological tormenter who gets more personal with Jake. It should be noted the personality it adopts being a cruel mimic of Blair, and that's really the only personality it displays.

Other than that no mitigating qualities are shown in either story.

While this doesn't come up either, I did have concerns over agency issues as the Skinwalkers of popular legends and depiction are inherently evil; at the same time they are said to be witches who become what they do out of their own volition by black magic and the ritualistic murder of a family member of loved one. This is usually that is used to compare and contrast them with the Wendigo which are usually depicted as more of creatures of instinct and usually victims of a curse or demonic possession. Again, this never comes up in the story, just a staple of the myth. Point is, human morality and agency should be applicable here.

Edited by Beast on Feb 18th 2020 at 10:12:16 AM

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#202061: Feb 18th 2020 at 5:07:13 PM

Yes to the Skinwalker...but I'd ntoe that there's no real 'contrast' there. Skinwalkers are from Navajo myth, while the Wendigo is a spirit that's from Algonquian first nation. Different cultures.

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#202062: Feb 18th 2020 at 5:08:12 PM

I am willing to give a [tup] to Skinwalker... though I suppose that Tyk is going to read the story to check if it has a substantial plot.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#202065: Feb 18th 2020 at 5:09:55 PM

[up][up][up][up] I know. It's just people I see always like comparing them. These two creatures are especially popular to use in pasta's nowadays.

Edited by Beast on Feb 18th 2020 at 7:13:13 AM

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#202066: Feb 18th 2020 at 5:10:35 PM

Tyk does not have to read these to check them, c'mon now.

Yes to Bathory

Edited by Lightysnake on Feb 18th 2020 at 5:11:49 AM

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#202067: Feb 18th 2020 at 5:11:30 PM

[up]Well, I know that whenever a creepypasta or nosleep candidate comes up, there is almost always someone asking if the story has a substantial plot.

Oh, and [tup] to another Bathory. Personally, while I have no problem believing they may have been exaggerated, I am willing to believe she did do at least some of the crimes she was accused of- because, as we all know, Aristocrats Are Evil, power corrupts, and all that.

Edited by MasterN on Feb 18th 2020 at 5:13:11 AM

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
#202068: Feb 18th 2020 at 5:14:49 PM

Yes to Bathory and the Skinwalker.

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#202069: Feb 18th 2020 at 5:32:15 PM

[tup] to Luke Skinwalker

Things are really about to get Fun around here
Stellarvore Since: Apr, 2016
#202070: Feb 18th 2020 at 5:34:10 PM

[up] Puns are SkyCat's job.

Yes to the Skinwalker.

Edited by Stellarvore on Feb 18th 2020 at 7:39:46 AM

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#202073: Feb 18th 2020 at 6:18:57 PM

@MasterN: Not reading it this time. Been busy; don't have time. You or someone else can do it.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
FriedWarthog Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#202074: Feb 18th 2020 at 6:29:09 PM

I'm always happy to read this kind of stuff if people are hesitant, just saying.

And yes to Bathory and the Skinwalker.

SkyCat32 (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#202075: Feb 18th 2020 at 6:30:14 PM

[tup] Blood Countess and the Skinwalker.

As for puns being "my job", it was really just a hobby/interfering behaviour, Stellar, and I only make puns when I know I can get away with it.

[down][down] None Taken.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Feb 18th 2020 at 10:23:54 AM


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