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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

username2527 Since: Nov, 2013
#201726: Feb 15th 2020 at 9:00:21 AM

Hearty [tup] to Steinman. We have Cedric von Tuffece on this trope after all and he's in a Dark Fic that's 100 percent TD centric but it has plot and character development which keeps it from being needlessly dark in what is supposed to be a comedic preteen show.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#201727: Feb 15th 2020 at 9:14:41 AM

@Immortal: Pure racist propaganda is banned here due to the Turner diaries rule.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#201728: Feb 15th 2020 at 9:18:10 AM

[tup]Steinnman.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#201729: Feb 15th 2020 at 9:21:31 AM

[up][up] Actually, I think the reason Turner dude didn't count was because he actually had "redeeming" qualities or something (which made it easy).

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#201730: Feb 15th 2020 at 10:36:03 AM

[tup] Steinmann

  • Angry Candy, by Harlan Ellison: The unnamed rapist, from “Broken Glass”, is a cruel man who invades women’s minds to mentally violate and torture them, leaving them broken and traumatized in the real world. Invading Dana’s mind to rape and taunt her for the sole sake of pleasuring himself, the rapist has Dana’s mental avatar raped and tortured, forced to listen to a friend of hers die in a car accident, and making her feel sick all for the sake of fun.

It's Spooky Month!
Stellarvore Since: Apr, 2016
#201731: Feb 15th 2020 at 10:42:35 AM

With all that new information in mind, I'm changing my vote to a yes on Steinmann.

It's been a while since I've seen Heavy Metal, but does anyone think Sternn might count? He's been discussed here before, but was shot down because his crimes are never shown, though he DOES kill Hanover Fiste onscreen after giving him the money he promised him. Plus I'm wondering if perhaps the Loc-Nar itself counts.

Edited by Stellarvore on Feb 15th 2020 at 12:50:59 PM

MovieFan2000 Since: Jan, 2016
#201732: Feb 15th 2020 at 11:11:45 AM

It's hinted that Loc Nar is Made of Evil so that might be an issue

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#201733: Feb 15th 2020 at 11:17:07 AM

Ah right jackie and lighty do you wanna start us off with the Rwby discussion if your ready

Edited by miraculous on Feb 15th 2020 at 11:24:06 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
#201734: Feb 15th 2020 at 11:20:04 AM

[up]Let's just wait until they're ready.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#201735: Feb 15th 2020 at 11:23:21 AM

Oh sorry wasn't meaning to rush them.

Just wanted to know when we'd begin. I'll edit my initial post to reflect that.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#201736: Feb 15th 2020 at 11:25:32 AM

By the way, just letting you all know that I will be reserving discussion for Witch's Heart and the fangame (Mario) The Music Box, two currently ongoing projects. I have some candidates in mind, but I will wait until the games are fully done before doing any EPs.

If I do not post here for at least a whole month, feel free to assume I am dead and snatch up these works.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#201738: Feb 15th 2020 at 1:25:22 PM

Actually, I do have one question about Warden: I can't remember, is the massacre at the hospital claimed to be related to the accident, or just For the Evulz?

Stellarvore Since: Apr, 2016
#201739: Feb 15th 2020 at 1:27:59 PM

In regards to the Loc Nar's Made of Evil status: it's shown that it COULD at the very least use it for some degree of good, for a certain definition of the word. Namely, like in the case of Sternn, it makes Hanover Fiste (I will never NOT crack a smirk typing that name) go all Hulk and try to kill Sternn, who is by all evidence, a horribly irredeemable excuse for a human being. Granted, its whole schtick is corruption, but I think that shows it can at least be somewhat less of an evil douchebag if it chooses.

As for Warden, from what I remember, no, the hospital massacre was unrelated to the mine accident.

Edited by Stellarvore on Feb 15th 2020 at 3:32:47 AM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#201740: Feb 15th 2020 at 2:11:20 PM

So, my next Cassandra Palmer example...Ares.

Who is Ares?

One of the trapped gods and a particularly monstrous example, Ares is the former god of war who delights in bloodshed and death. After Artemis betrayed her kin and saw them imprisoned, Ares has longed for a chance to return and set the world back to what he feels it should be.Desiring the powers of the Pythia, Ares's influence creeps into the world when he concocts a plan to get at Cassandra and the others. Ares first shows his infliuence by using his children, the Spartoi, to try to hunt down Artemis and anyone else in the way.

Contacting Nimue of the Fay, Ares steadily poisons her mind and sets her against King Arthur himself...while steadily using her to provoke a bloody war among the Fay, a civil war and conflict to ignite the supernatural underground in the worst conflict he can think of. And the way the war is being funded? Selling others into sexual slavery with the funds used to provide for his conflict. Ares enhances the war to more destructive levels, intending on using the resulting energies to tear open his prison and release him...now, the demon species of the world? Ares intends to wipe them out to feed off them and restore himself, as Cassandra and the others foil the war.

The resulting fight, Cassandra and her incubus lover Pritkin use a sex ritual to manage to counter Ares upon his return, using the energies to summon the dead Apollo to counter Ares, with the gods fighting. However, when Ares attempts to do even more damage, Arthur arrives and uses Excalibur to trap the energies of the gods, reflect them and rip Ares and Apollo apart with their own might.

Hienousness? Other mitigating qualities

The sex slavery? Unique, plus the wars, and horrific attempts at massive death and destruction. And no, no good qualities either. He's just as vile as Apollo.

Conclusion?

An easy keep for the god of war.

falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#201744: Feb 15th 2020 at 2:44:15 PM

[tup]Ares.

Why so serious?
AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#201746: Feb 15th 2020 at 3:01:54 PM

[tup] Ares.

So a War God who uses Human Trafficking to fund a war. That's unique.

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#201749: Feb 15th 2020 at 3:23:05 PM

[tup] to Ares. How many does that make for him?

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#201750: Feb 15th 2020 at 3:26:33 PM

Oh, RWBY? Nothing new to report. No new keepers.


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