During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
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It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
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Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
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Final Verdict?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Harry and Obsidian
Nagi, Benny and Dicko
to the Warden.
on Benny and Dicko
Alright, so I got a candidate from a fan fic that I just finished reading. The fan fic in question is called Total Drama Raptured
What’s The Work?
Total Drama Raptured is a fanfic written by Rufus T. Serenity and is a crossover story between Total Drama and BioShock 1. The premise of this story is that the Total Drama Jumbo Jet is forced down over the Atlantic Ocean and Cody, Courtney, Gwen, and Noah get separated from the other contestants.
The four would discover a gateway that would take them to the underwater city of Rapture, where must learn to work together and survive the many enemies wanting to kill them, with one of them being our very own J.S Steinman.
Who Is He? What Has He Done?
Dr. J.S. Steinman is a plastic surgeon who just like in the canon video game becomes a deranged Serial Killer obsessed with his own twisted idea of what he believes beauty and perfections should be.
As with the video game, Steinman first came to Rapture and would perform various surgeries on many of Raptures citizens. However as time went be his idea of beauty and perfection would become twisted by his own sociopathic ego and who perform horrific experiments on his patients.
Steinman firsts starts with the Splicers horribly mutilating and butchering their bodies and slice their faces off before killing them. Then he carve up and murder his own assistant when she learns of his crimes while also slicing her face off.
Steinman would also then perform his horrific experiments on innocent people wether it would be his own patients or people that he personally kidnap for him to mutilate. One example had him slicing off a woman’s face, regrow it with ADAM, and repeat this process until the woman died of shock.
Speaking of ADAM, Steinman became an addict of the drugs, where his substance abuse of it drove him insane, where his body count drastically increased. By the time the four contestants arrive at the Medical Pavilion where Steinman was at, there was already a larges pile of corpses that Steinman has already mutilated and killed.
Not only that but one of his victims on the operating table had her arms and legs chopped off with her arms sewn on to where her legs should be and her legs sewn on to where her arms should be, based off the gruesome death of Kay Amin, one of the wives of Idi Amin, the dictator of Uganda in the 1970s.
Steinman would soon notice the four teens poking around the medical pavilion where he fire a grenade from his grenade launcher, nearly killing the four. Luckily the four survived the try to consume more ADAM to gain more strength to kill him.
However Steinman fires another grenade that nearly kills Cody and Noah, impales Courtney nearly killing her, then kidnaps Gwen and straps her onto his operating table he attempts to carve up her face before killing her by drilling a hole in her head. Luckily Gwen was able to break free of her confinement grab her shot gun, Sweet Chariot, and kills Steinman with it.
Freudian Excuse? Redeeming Qualities?
As with in the canon works of Bioshock, Steinman was already mutilating and murdering people long before his addiction to ADAM consumed his mind. He when he learned on what ADAM was doing to him, instead of stopping he continued taking ADAM embracing the changes that ADAM is doing for him
While he claims that Aphrodite is his inspiration, this is simply a manifestation of his own ego that allows him to carry out his vicious murders. This is shown where Steinman got fascinated that Gwen looked like Aphrodite, only to try to kill her while trying carving her face off when Gwen tries to kill him. So Yeah I don’t think he has any there.
Other Militating Factors?
Yes while this is a fan fiction between a cartoon and a video game, its also has a proper story plot, Character Development, and realism, so its not a Dark Fic that's dark just for the sake of being dark. Plus this is more like a retelling of Bioshock but with a few altercations to the story, like Steinman's expanded role and Jack being replaced by a group of teenagers, their view point of, and how they would react and behave in that kind of environment.
Heinousness
Now then as with other crossover story we focus on the work with the higher heinous standard. Even by Bioshock standards, Steinman manages to standout as a monstrous Serial Killer. He has murdered untold amounts of people through nightmarish mutilations and keeps several faces as trophies, has nearly killed a group of teenagers several times and attempts to mutilate and kill a teenage girl.
Now this fan fic was left unfinished (its was last updated on 2017 three years ago) with the latest story update taking place after the teens kill a Big Daddy where Cody gets kill only to be brought back to life and we never get to the revelation where Atlas is Fontaine nor to we meet the other deranged denizens like Cohen. Still Steinman story ends where Gwen kills him and before that happens Steinman has already proven himself be the most deprave person in Rapture thus far.
Final Verdict?
I will leave that to you guys.
Edited by G-Editor on Feb 14th 2020 at 9:11:22 AM
My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
Anyways, just gonna get these out of the way:
- Mai-HiME: The Obsidian Lord/Prince, the will of the HiME Star itself, is a maniac with a desire to wipe out humanity in both versions:
- Mai-HiME Anime: The Obsidian Lord/Prince is the leader of District 1/the First District. Long before his awakening, he had Mikoto Minagi and Reito Kanzaki raised in a cult, making Mikoto kill her own grandfather and eventually possessing Reito. After using Nagi Homura to create the monster Orphans and manipulate the heroines into destroying the rival Searrs Foundation, getting scores of people killed as a result, he forces the heroines into the HiME Carnival/Festival, a Deadly Game in which they must destroy each other's CHILD, which will result in the the person they love most dying, under threat of destroying the world via Colony Drop if they refuse. Having held these bloodbaths numerous times in the past, he, as Reito, manipulates Mikoto, Shiho Munakata, and Mai Tokiha into fighting each other, deliberately getting Takumi Tokiha and Yuuichi Tate killed to break Mai. He takes the victims of the battles and traps them in pillars to use the souls as power. When Mashiro Kazahana confronts him, he restrains her and puts her maid, Fumi Himeno, under mind control to serve him. Finally, he reveals that he intends to make Mai, the winner, into his bride, and have her kill Mikoto before using her to birth his new, 'perfect' race to replace humanity after he kills them all.
- Mai-HiME Manga: The Obsidian Lord/Prince is the mastermind behind the monster Orphans who seeks to destroy humans after having nearly done so in the past. Having possessed the bedridden Takumi Tokiha, he orders Nagi Homura to create the Orphans and cause chaos, while also manipulating the rival Searrs Foundation into attacking. He has Nagi transform Pochi, an Orphan Mikoto Minagi has been caring for, into a monster that attacks the heroines and is forced to kill itself to save them. He later uses the Star to corrupt Shiho Munakata, turning her into a possessive maniac who kidnaps Yuuichi Tate. Revealing himself to Mai Tokiha, he uses her love for Takumi to turn her into his minion and bride. He broadcasts his plan to the world and, to show he is serious, obliterates Washington DC. When the other heroes infiltrate his lair, he has Mai and his creations, the Great Cosmo Beauties, brutally beat them. Finally, he betrays the Cosmo Beauties by absorbing them into his CHILD form, and tries to use the HiME Star to wipe out humanity.
Gonna add to drafts. However, please leave them there until I have the Otome writeups there as well (assuming they get approved).
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.Don’t forget to vote for my candidate
To Harry
Edited by G-Editor on Feb 15th 2020 at 12:15:28 AM
My sandbox of EPs and other stuffHonestly, I gotta say, I'm not really seeing why so many people are downvoting Duke Oslo El Gustav from a couple pages ago. We have a pretty clear trend that being a Psycho Supporter isn't really a redeeming quality.
Dante the Immortal, Benny/Dicko, Nagi
Abstain on Gustav, as he does seem to have Undying Loyalty while also being a Psycho Supporter, and I can't decide which factors in more despite the (good) arguments made here.
Warden and Steinmann.
I think that's everyone; to engage the Sincerity Mode, nice work all. Some really good EPs here.
Edit: Cunning Man EP will be up tomorrow.
Edited by captainmarkle on Feb 15th 2020 at 12:15:15 PM
Trans rights are human rights. If you don't think that, please leave.Yes to Gustav (sounds more like a Psycho Supporter to me then anything redeeming), Harry and Steinman. No to Dante, Benny and Dicko.
Edited by Bullman on Feb 15th 2020 at 7:06:50 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadI remember that 43110 had written up ‘shortened’ entries for Froid from Transformers and Barnier but they were not submitted to the subpages yet.
Froid rewrite: [1]
Barnier rewrite: [2]
Also I would request that these rewrites replace the current entries.
Edited by Draxterrus on Feb 15th 2020 at 11:32:11 PM
Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.
Warden and Steinman
So what's the consensus of hate fics again, that they are immediately DQ? There's this weird story with someone in mind, but it's clearly written to discriminate a certain race. I'll do it if it seems fine, but personally I feel a little uncomfortable.
Edited by TheImmortalAngelNewton on Feb 15th 2020 at 8:08:41 AM
Allow me, take my hand and never let go, promise? - GiselleYes to Harry and Steinman. No to Benny and Dicko.
@nrjxll and @miraculous: I downvoted him because he apparently hurt himself if he failed the emperor's orders, which seemed to fall more into Undying Loyalty to me. Thinking about it, I'll switch to abstain.
If it's racist propaganda, I'd say don't bother.
Edited by falcontalons on Feb 15th 2020 at 8:17:57 AM
Barnier potholed:
- The House in Fata Morgana: Lord Jean-François Barnier is responsible for Fata Morgana becoming the Big Bad. Barnier purchased her at 11 yearsold, first meeting her with a harem of underaged girls. For her holy saint's blood, Barnier restrains and cuts her for him and other members of the nobility to drink and, while she is restrained, tricks her into eating human flesh. Torturing and killing his own slaves at his leisure, Barnier routinely mocks Morgana to further break her, and when her health begins to deteriorate, simply tries to kill her.
