During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
I saw the movie a while ago. I think the first two are fine. Maybe we should mixed the third one with the second one. Because I can't think of anything to add to it.
Edited by Bullman on Feb 13th 2020 at 8:43:31 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
Holda and another Moriarty.
By the way, I want to change the Speed Grapher header. Current header:
- Speed Grapher, while already dark, has these:
My proposed, more interesting header:
- Speed Grapher: In this series about a Japan corrupted by the evils of greed and lust, these four Euphorics are the worst of the worst:
Speaking of, is there any reason that Seiji Ochiai doesn't count? Was he proposed or brought up before? Insufficiently heinous? Because I remember him killing a whole roomful of people whom he had deceived into thinking he was on their side, so... I could EP him, unless I would be wasting my time.
Edited by MasterN on Feb 13th 2020 at 7:59:26 AM
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
Kills a roomful of people he had deceived. Granted, he does it pretty quick compared to the four who like to drag it out, so that does put them on a different level, I suppose.
So, my header
?
Edited by MasterN on Feb 13th 2020 at 8:16:14 AM
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.I'm fine with that new header.
Speaking of Speed Grapher, the Big Bad's a WIE, right?
Also:
- I Spy (2002 film):
- Rachel Wright is a corrupt agent of the Bureau of National Security. During her mission to retrieve the Switchblade, a highly advanced, undetectable prototype stealth fighter, she was bribed by Arnold Gundars to give him the activation code of the plane and thwart her colleagues. After faking her death, she reveals to Gundars the location of the other BNS agents, causing him to send his henchmen to dispose of them. When fellow BNS agent Alex Scott finds the Switchblade, Rachel captures him and tortures him to make him reveal the new activation codes of the plane, knowing full well it will allow Gundars's terrorist customer Zhu Tam to nuke Washington, D.C. When more BNS agents arrive, Rachel takes the opportunity to fatally shoot Gundars and Tam In the Back in order to steal the access to all the bank accounts. Cruel, manipulative and sadistic, Rachel has ultimately no loyalty to anyone but herself, and is willing to do the worst things as long as it benefits her.
- The aforementioned Arnold Gundars is a notorious Arms Dealer who made his fortune by selling weapons to criminals and terrorists; the aforementioned Zhu Tam is a terrorist sent by his country's government to purchase the Switchblade. After acquiring the Switchblade, Gundars organizes a private party in his residence to gather the worst criminals on the planet and hold a secret auction to sell the plane to one of them. When some agents of the Bureau of National Security are sent to retrieve the plane, Gundars bribes the aforementioned Rachel Wright to help him get rid of the others. Ultimately, Gundars decides to sell the Switchblade to Tam, a ruthless terrorist who plans to bomb Washington D.C., with the former willingly giving the latter everything he needs.
Honestly, we could PROBABLY combine them all into one entry, but I'm not quite sure how.
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
Yeah. In fact, Suitengu is an approved Magnificent Bastard who is portrayed as being more-or-less in the right. (Granted, I personally disagree, but that is neither here nor there.)
I just think the current header is kinda bland and bare-bones.
Edited by MasterN on Feb 13th 2020 at 8:51:29 AM
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.Though speaking of that, lemme de-pothole one entry and use the full names:
- Katsuji Kamiya becomes Japan's Prime Minister and schemes to take possession of the Roppongi Club, which caters to every fetish and predilection of the upper classes, away from Chōji Suitengu, while also gaining control of Kagura for his own purposes. A glutton whose power is to devour anything, before he even achieved these powers, he once drove a couple to suicide over a huge debt, and then took their children to compensate. The son he sold as a child soldier would one day become Suitengu. The girl, who was only five, he sold as a Sex Slave to be abused and debauched until she was an Empty Shell years later, knowing only how to please men and request money for it.
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
Yes, that is the current order, but I prefer Ekoda to be in between Ran and Kamiya. Like this:
- Mizu
Ran
Ekoda
Kamiya
Since Ekoda becomes an antagonist after Mizu and Ran, but before Kamiya.
Edited by MasterN on Feb 13th 2020 at 9:01:52 AM
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.

Edited by ACW on Feb 13th 2020 at 9:39:29 AM