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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

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ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere. Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
#201403: Feb 12th 2020 at 3:56:13 PM

It seems he cares more about the ring than his dad. Tentative yes to him.

J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
Sircray Since: Apr, 2018
#201404: Feb 12th 2020 at 4:11:37 PM

I thought the ring thing might cause some hesitance (it did with me at first) so here's the whole speech, if it helps (probably should have included it in the initail write-up, but oh well):

Amazing how incredibly deep some of these old diamond mines are. Sadly, this one tapped out right after my fool of a father blew his entire fortune on it. This [the ring] is all I ever got from him. Humph. So I'm not about to let you steal the title from me. I will be the next Earl of Greystoke!

When he tries to take off, he gets whacked with a board by Jane, which makes him lose the ring. He lunges for it, but it falls into the pit, which he also nearly falls into (the edge start giving way) before being saved by Tarzan.

GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere. Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
#201405: Feb 12th 2020 at 4:28:37 PM

Switching to abstain then. Judging by the quote, he seems to have some modicum of care about his dad.

J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#201406: Feb 12th 2020 at 4:30:00 PM

Yeah, I'm inclined to agree and vote nay

username2527 Since: Nov, 2013
#201407: Feb 12th 2020 at 4:39:30 PM

Sounds like a "Well Done, Son" Guy relationship. I will cement my no vote, if ever so slightly. If there was a 99% evil trope than he would be it.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#201409: Feb 12th 2020 at 5:05:12 PM

Hm.....for me personally?

It sounds like it's more about his own Insecurities involving the ring being the only thing His father gave him eat her then some sort of Tragic Keepsake situation.(Him saying "Fool of a father" Probbaly helps that) but I'm slightly concerned on if that FE is focused on beside that?

Things are really about to get Fun around here
Sircray Since: Apr, 2018
#201410: Feb 12th 2020 at 5:10:47 PM

If there was a 99% evil trope than he would be it.

Hate Sink?

but I'm slightly concerned on if that FE is focused on beside that?

Nope, the bit in the mine is the only time that he brings up Ethan Greystoke.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#201411: Feb 12th 2020 at 5:14:27 PM

Tomorrow morning Tengu Shredder gets cut and Councilor gets added.

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#201412: Feb 12th 2020 at 5:19:28 PM

[tup] Green Lady

[tdown] Clayton

As for Tengu... I still don't see how Hell on Earth isn't bad enough. He doesn't try planetary genocide because he has a different goal.

WaryHoglet Since: Feb, 2016
#201413: Feb 12th 2020 at 5:34:50 PM

Yeah I'm gonna have to [tdown] Clayton, too much ambugity with his father to say for sure he has no redeeming qualities.

Also is the Green Lady in? The overwhelming majority has [tup] her today.

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#201414: Feb 12th 2020 at 5:36:04 PM

I'm dropping Fantasy Island due to the fact that I'm not gonna even be going to the movies during the month without TV. I added it to my To-Do List though so I can still do it later if that's alright.

EDIT: Never mind. I still plan to see it and keep my name on it.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Feb 12th 2020 at 6:33:20 AM

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#201415: Feb 12th 2020 at 5:46:55 PM

Eh, [tup] to Clayton there

Things are really about to get Fun around here
Critica7 Self-Declared King of Everything from Smallville Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Self-Declared King of Everything
#201416: Feb 12th 2020 at 5:53:41 PM

[tup] Green Lady

[tdown] Clayton

Check out my current fanfiction project.
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#201417: Feb 12th 2020 at 6:01:15 PM

[tup] Green Lady.

[tdown] Clayton.

Abstain on Tengu Shredder.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
#201418: Feb 12th 2020 at 6:54:13 PM

[tup] to the Lady, Dr. Venom, and keeping Tengu Shredder.

[tdown] to Clayton.

Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#201419: Feb 12th 2020 at 7:40:56 PM

[tup] The Councilor.

[tup] Joseph Curwen.

[tup] The Green Lady.

[tup] Dr. Venom.

No to Clayton

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
PureGrainAlkaSeltzer The Lord Of Walruses from 1200 Pennsylvania Ave Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
The Lord Of Walruses
#201421: Feb 12th 2020 at 8:44:44 PM

[tdown] to Clayton

[tup] to keeping Tengu Shredder.

I have no idea what I am doing
MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
#201422: Feb 12th 2020 at 9:33:21 PM

[tup]To keeping Tengu.

IPP Wick Check created.
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#201423: Feb 12th 2020 at 9:38:03 PM

I've got another Lovecraftian candidate courtesy of Mir. This is from ‘’A True Telling of the Terror at Red Hook’’. This cleans up the unfortunate racism in the original by telling the story instead from the perspective of Red Hook’s own colored denizens, instead of the Irish detective Malone in the original. Our candidate is the “Dutchman.”

Who is the Dutchman? What has he done?

The Dutchman is the moniker of Robert Suydam, only called sparingly by his last name here. Suydam, or the Dutchman, is an old recluse rumored to be an occultist. Suydam is known for his strange purchases and practices behind closed doors in his old Dutch church, among the the recurrent Greek pledges to “Gorgo, Mormo, thousand-faced moon” but the true creepy extent of his evil isn't revealed until Sudyam reveals designs for a wife. Suydam ends up with a young noble lady many years his junior, Miss Cornelia Gerritsen of Bayside. Suydam needs less a wife and more what's inside of her. Suydam gruesomely murders Cornelia to get at her organs. Our protagonists walk in to see Suydam over Cornelia’s flayed skin, her organs in a series of jars and Suydam’s hand transformed into a slimy, eldritch claw.

Suydam is finally revealed to be responsible for a series of child sacrifices to his dark gods for wicked power. The protagonists first find a child's shoe bereft of its owner, and finally a cellar riddled with the remnants of his countless victims, before they blow Suydam and his dark lair up with a series of bombs:

Malone was right on one other matter—it was a charnel house down there. The Dutchman had been paying for whatever reward he received with the bodies of the young of Red Hook, dragging them down into the dark to be fed to his master. The evidence of his perfidy was spread wide around the gaping maw of a huge pit that glowed, green and shimmering and somehow sickening, bright enough to light the whole high cavern with its luminescent glow. We had found the missing children—or rather, what little remained of them. Bone—it too tinged green now, pieces of flesh, discarded clothes and crushed skulls lay in great profusion wherever you looked.

Any mitigating factors?

Nope. We get enough personality, and this doesn't need to share a standard with the vanilla Mythos. Suydam's serial child murder sets him up well and what he does to his wife clinches him.

Conclusion?

Keeper.

Edited by Scraggle on Feb 12th 2020 at 10:41:00 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#201424: Feb 12th 2020 at 9:44:01 PM

[tup]Suydam

Would suydam count in the ballad of black tom by Victor La Valle. It's also an adaption of red hook.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
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