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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#201276: Feb 10th 2020 at 9:31:30 PM

So, writeup time:

  • Angels of Death: Catherine "Cathy" Ward is the master of floor B3 with a love for punishing 'sinners' and the cruelest of the titular Angels. As a young child, Cathy manipulated a girl, Lucy, into murdering her rivals at school. Growing up to become a prison guard, Cathy became infamous among the prisoners for her sadistic torture of them, while also abusing the now grown up Lucy into aiding her in her torture. In Episode 0, Cathy teams up with Doctor Danny to recruit killers for the Tower, showing nothing but amusement at the horrors she sees, and eventually gruesomely murders Lucy, specifically choosing Lucy as her first kill out of 'love'. In the main story, when Rachel "Ray" Gardner and Isaac "Zack" Foster reach her floor, Cathy forces them to play a Deadly Game. First, she straps Zack to an electric chair, shocking him repeatedly, and challenges Ray to save him; then locks the two in a room with poison gas and challenges them to escape; and, in the anime, makes Zack do a puzzle based off his traumatic childhood to torment him. She also reveals that she keeps several prisoners, all of whom are withered and zombie-like, in eternal torment. Finally, Cathy forces Zack to inject a drug that gives him an urge to kill, then has him chase Ray, before trying to make Ray kill Zack and trying to shoot them both. Even as a spirit, Cathy shows no remorse, instead blaming Ray for killing her and demanding she be executed by drowning.

Edited by MasterN on Feb 10th 2020 at 9:39:00 AM

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#201277: Feb 10th 2020 at 9:43:03 PM

[tup] Cathy, Rapist, Apollo

Quick question: I know this was a while agao, but did the Seed Eater ever get the writeup done? I remember it getting a lot of abstains and upvotes, but no downvotes. I searched it and didn't come across a writeup; was that ever done or did it fail to get formally approved?

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#201278: Feb 10th 2020 at 9:46:39 PM

Beast wrote it up.

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#201280: Feb 10th 2020 at 10:57:25 PM

[tup] to Cathy.

I know the EP mentioned an anime and manga adaptation: are those faithful enough (think the TV version of Literature/Hogfather, which was basically a straight adaptation), or are there sufficient differences in these that Cathy might be worth a look in those too?

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#201281: Feb 10th 2020 at 11:07:10 PM

Age gave me the okay to do this writeup:

  • The Departed: Frank Costello is an Irish mob boss who controls Boston's organized crime. He uses his power to commit murders with impunity, laughing at how one of his victims fell over in flashback. In the present day, Costello has some government microprocessors stolen so he can con the Chinese government, killing his thief to cover it up. Soon after, he sends much-abused goon Colin Sullivan to infiltrate the Boston PD, threatening to have his girlfriend raped if he fails. When policeman Billy Costigan infiltrates Costello's mob, he tortures him to see if he's still a cop before killing a couple of his own men and sending Costigan to torture and murder locals who don't pay their protection money. After Costello is assassinated, it's revealed that he ordered all his records given to the police upon his death, intending his entire gang to be taken down with him.

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#201282: Feb 10th 2020 at 11:12:58 PM

[up][up]The anime adds the PTSD trigger scene and the manga adds her backstory, but other than that, the evil deeds of Cathy are the same.

Edited by MasterN on Feb 10th 2020 at 11:13:19 AM

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TerryBorger Since: Feb, 2020
#201283: Feb 11th 2020 at 12:03:12 AM
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LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#201284: Feb 11th 2020 at 12:36:20 AM

[tup] G Gundam from what I remember is light hearted and Ulube seems to be the most personally despicable character

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#201285: Feb 11th 2020 at 12:43:37 AM

Hold up. I'm pretty sure this troper is who I think it is. Let it be checked first.

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#201286: Feb 11th 2020 at 12:45:50 AM

Is hollering after a brief edit history review the best way to detect sock puppets? Because that’s what I did.

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#201287: Feb 11th 2020 at 12:49:24 AM
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ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#201288: Feb 11th 2020 at 2:27:14 AM

N, add to just the video games page or also AniManga like Ogami?

[down][down] Got it.

Edited by ACW on Feb 11th 2020 at 8:30:26 AM

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#201289: Feb 11th 2020 at 4:27:44 AM

Yam, this isn't hate sink. Being personally despicable is not a requirement.

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#201290: Feb 11th 2020 at 5:28:12 AM

Both.

By the way, could I volunteer to play Demon Legacy and check out the cut candidates to see if they fit? I want to check it out for myself.

Edited by MasterN on Feb 11th 2020 at 6:24:50 AM

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#201293: Feb 11th 2020 at 8:14:21 AM

@N: Go ahead man.

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#201294: Feb 11th 2020 at 9:16:29 AM

Question - is the CM entry on YMMV.Ghost valid? It's referring to the song "Elizabeth" which is based on Elizabeth Báthory.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#201295: Feb 11th 2020 at 9:37:46 AM

I believe so. There's that entry at Music, so I believe it's valid.

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#201296: Feb 11th 2020 at 10:07:43 AM

I think that was Polar's effortpost. Maybe someone else’s, but I do remember it in this thread.

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#201297: Feb 11th 2020 at 10:08:34 AM

Think that was elfen. Back before they got left the thread.

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PureGrainAlkaSeltzer The Lord Of Walruses from 1200 Pennsylvania Ave Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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#201299: Feb 11th 2020 at 10:18:45 AM

[tup] to Cathy

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