During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Cathy, Rapist, Apollo
Quick question: I know this was a while agao, but did the Seed Eater ever get the writeup done? I remember it getting a lot of abstains and upvotes, but no downvotes. I searched it and didn't come across a writeup; was that ever done or did it fail to get formally approved?
Read Slender Man vs Siren Head 2: The Foundation here
to Cathy.
I know the EP mentioned an anime and manga adaptation: are those faithful enough (think the TV version of Literature/Hogfather, which was basically a straight adaptation), or are there sufficient differences in these that Cathy might be worth a look in those too?
Trans rights are human rights. If you don't think that, please leave.Age gave me the okay to do this writeup:
- The Departed: Frank Costello is an Irish mob boss who controls Boston's organized crime. He uses his power to commit murders with impunity, laughing at how one of his victims fell over in flashback. In the present day, Costello has some government microprocessors stolen so he can con the Chinese government, killing his thief to cover it up. Soon after, he sends much-abused goon Colin Sullivan to infiltrate the Boston PD, threatening to have his girlfriend raped if he fails. When policeman Billy Costigan infiltrates Costello's mob, he tortures him to see if he's still a cop before killing a couple of his own men and sending Costigan to torture and murder locals who don't pay their protection money. After Costello is assassinated, it's revealed that he ordered all his records given to the police upon his death, intending his entire gang to be taken down with him.
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
Both.
By the way, could I volunteer to play Demon Legacy and check out the cut candidates to see if they fit? I want to check it out for myself.
Edited by MasterN on Feb 11th 2020 at 6:24:50 AM
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.By all means.
J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)Question - is the CM entry on YMMV.Ghost valid? It's referring to the song "Elizabeth" which is based on Elizabeth Báthory
.
I believe so. There's that entry at Music, so I believe it's valid.

So, writeup time:
Edited by MasterN on Feb 10th 2020 at 9:39:00 AM
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.