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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

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rosewood47 from A Padded Cell (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#201227: Feb 10th 2020 at 11:41:49 AM

Alright, so to help me avoid making this same mistake in the future, where exactly does one draw the line of what constitutes too little quality and/or too much edginess? Because, for example, Sonic.EXE has two examples, and that story is widely regarded as one of the worst. It routinely appears on “worst creepypasta” lists, has been torn to shreds by prominent YouTube channels like Retsupurae and Bad Creepypasta, and it was even removed from the creepypasta wiki and relocated to the “trollpasta” one, something the author did not take lightly.

I’m not trying to make it seem like I’m salty because characters from a work I don’t like are deemed keeps, I’m just asking for help with knowing where I should draw that line. Because I actually have another effortpost I’m working on, but don’t know if I should continue to do so.

Edited by rosewood47 on Feb 10th 2020 at 2:48:50 PM

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#201228: Feb 10th 2020 at 11:47:53 AM

Mindless rape and gore, for one.

rosewood47 from A Padded Cell (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#201230: Feb 10th 2020 at 11:52:05 AM

@rosewood: There's a difference between a poorly-written story having a CM and pointless words cobbled together to form a CM. There's a huge difference.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#201231: Feb 10th 2020 at 11:55:57 AM

[tup] Ogami and Apollo.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#201232: Feb 10th 2020 at 11:57:31 AM

[tup] Ogami and Apollo.

[tdown] God.

Definitely [tup] to Platt and yeah Blackwood is definitely heinous enough and has zero redeeming qualities. I’m looking forward to the 4th season to see what other shitty stuff he does

Edited by G-Editor on Feb 10th 2020 at 10:01:38 AM

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
PureGrainAlkaSeltzer The Lord Of Walruses from 1200 Pennsylvania Ave Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
The Lord Of Walruses
#201233: Feb 10th 2020 at 12:20:18 PM

[tup] to Apollo.

Sorry about that Lightysnake. I didn’t really see it as much of an issue. Won’t happen again.

I have no idea what I am doing
CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#201235: Feb 10th 2020 at 12:49:48 PM

Hey, how do you make a Manga redirect to Forest of Drizzling Rain? I need one so that the entry can go on the animanga section as well.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#201236: Feb 10th 2020 at 1:18:45 PM

Okay, so Power has wrapped up. Not...officially though, because we're getting four more spin-offs. I guess I'll prolly snag 'em in the future? Don't think anyone else here watches the show.

PM me if you want more details.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#201238: Feb 10th 2020 at 1:44:05 PM

[tup] Ogami and Apollo

I rarely tackle physical literature on this thread, but I decided to give this one a go.

What Is the Work?

Angry Candy is a collection of short stories by late writer and walking Berserk Button Harlan Ellison®, all focused around the theme of death.

“Broken Glass” is one of those stories. In it, a woman named Dana is moving out of Boston because her apartment was raided by an intruder. Fearing her own safety, Dana gets on a bus and moves to Philadelphia. But unfortunately for her, the incident prior won't be the first time she encounters an intruder.

Who Is he?

The rapist (he’s called a lot of things like “the invader”, “the creature”, and “the man”, but “the rapist” gets used the most) is, well, a rapist. But he isn’t just any ordinary rapist. He’s essentially a telepathic Freddy Krueger.

What has he done?

Raping women by invading their minds in the middle of their fantasies, mostly sexual ones, the rapist tortures these fantasy women in gruesome ways, leaving them traumatized in the real world. On a bus with Dana knowing that his identity will remain unknown amongst the crowd of passengers, the rapist notices Dana having a sexual fantasy inside her head, and decides to invade it watching from afar while taunting the creeped out Dana.

“Is that nice? Does it feel especially nice?”

The rapist starts to distort the fantasy, unleashing a piercing, metallic whine that causes Dana to wake up. Feeling like it was nothing but a bad dream, Dana begins to realize that this is all too real, and that this man, this rapist, was experienced at this. Dana suddenly begins hearing the sounds of bone cracking, the sound of suction, even some moist meaty sounds. The rapist begins to torture Dana’s mind, making her feel as though her cheek was sliced by a thin wire; forcing her to listen to a car crash with the knowledge that someone she loved had died from the wreckage; and making her believe she was about to vomit, all while feeling “his pleasure as he came and came and came…”

Dana wakes up again, realizing that she had been mentally raped. Understanding that what he did was no different than a physical mugger or rapist, Dana decides to fight back. The rapist taunts Dana with phrases like “Wasn’t that nice?” before sending her into another dream sequence, this time a misty world which he had “left the area foul from his pleasures,” having “left the evidence of his passion” inside her mind.

Setting up her revenge, Dana dreams herself in the walled-off section of her subconscious, her broken glass. Opening it up and inviting the rapist inside for him to take advantage of her, the rapist discovers that the whole thing has been a trap; keeping him distracted by having him rape a fantasy version of herself with his dick stuck in her body, Dana starts creating steel walls surrounding him that trap him inside, leaving him there inside her head for the rest of his life with no more pleasure to achieve. Meanwhile, the rapist’s physical body is placed in a permanent vegetative state, still stuck on that bus wherever it takes him.

Well, what do you expect from the man who brought us the And I Must Scream trope?

Redeeming Qualities?

Zero. He might have some sort of castration fetish because the story brings up his “secret self-hatred” while he’s raping the fantasy Dana at the end, but it never goes anywhere, nor is it made to make us pity him. It's just kind of a throwaway line. What happens to the rapist is seen by the story as pure karma, letting us know that he got what he deserved.

Heinousness?

While his other victims are offscreen, the story notes that he’s done this before to other women “for a very long time… he had anchored himself for as long as the pleasure would take.” What we see him do to Dana is what he has done to who knows how many other women before this.

And while he mainly goes for their minds, he’s psychologically abusing innocent women for his own personal pleasure, enjoying the freedom he gets from being a serial mind rapist.

Conclusion

I think he’s a keep.

Edited by therealjackieboy on Feb 10th 2020 at 1:48:43 AM

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Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
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#201239: Feb 10th 2020 at 1:49:52 PM

[tup] to the rapist, Ogami and Apollo

[tdown] to God

I personally wouldn't be opposed to cutting Sonic.exe, but that's probably not on the table

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#201240: Feb 10th 2020 at 2:01:31 PM

[tup] Platt, Apollo and Rapist

[tdown] God

As for Ogami... Does he actually appear? I'm not sure I'm understandibg.

papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#201243: Feb 10th 2020 at 2:10:51 PM

[tup] to Ogami-san, Apollo and the Rapist.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#201244: Feb 10th 2020 at 2:17:49 PM

Yes to the Rapist.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 10th 2020 at 4:18:25 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
captainmarkle Limited Patients from Behind you Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#201245: Feb 10th 2020 at 2:30:13 PM

[tup] rapist, Ogami and Apollo

[tup] Jimmy the ice cream person

Hard [tdown] to god for reasons explained in great detail by others.

Apologies for not having the extra EP produced aside from Foyle last weekend, family emergency happened. All good and sorted now smile

Trans rights are human rights. If you don't think that, please leave.
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#201246: Feb 10th 2020 at 2:31:31 PM

Wait....yeah, does Ogami appear? I may have misread this.

Yes to the rapist

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