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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

WaryHoglet Since: Feb, 2016
#201176: Feb 9th 2020 at 7:48:57 PM

This may seem like nitpicking but for the Dr. Dre song I think it needs to be really clear that the entry is for the character he is playing in the song and not Dr. Dre himself b/c just saying "Dre gang-raped her" could give people the wrong idea

Edited by WaryHoglet on Feb 9th 2020 at 7:52:51 AM

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#201177: Feb 9th 2020 at 7:57:54 PM

You know, is this the first instance of somebody playing themselves as a CM?

Draxterrus An Eldritch Troper Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
An Eldritch Troper
#201178: Feb 9th 2020 at 8:08:57 PM

I’m concerned with the off-topic questions you’re asking, Imperial...

Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.
Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#201179: Feb 9th 2020 at 8:12:26 PM

They're perfectly okay Questions Drax.

[down] Understood

Edited by Kylotrope on Feb 9th 2020 at 6:23:58 AM

Things are really about to get Fun around here
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#201180: Feb 9th 2020 at 8:17:56 PM

No, they're not, Kylo. We've been trying put a kibosh on these constant, tangential "oh is this X CM for Y" or "is this the first X for Y" questions for yearsparticularly the ones that bleed too close to IRL discussion of the trope, as is the case here.

Alter Dre's writeup for clarity. Seems a bit weird to refer to him as the person performing rather than as the character itself.

Edited by Scraggle on Feb 9th 2020 at 9:21:12 AM

KingofNightmares Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#201181: Feb 9th 2020 at 9:38:43 PM

Is anyone familiar with .hack? Because this entry (from here) is really bad. I'd rewrite it, but I don't really know anything about the game.

  • Complete Monster: Sakaki was merely annoying and overzealous at first, but later revelations removed any kind of sympathy fans might have had for him. Specifically, the revelation that he had been manipulating and controlling AIDA behind the scenes, and that his ultimate goal was to use AIDA as mass mind control over all of humanity. But the biggest blow against him was his treatment of Atoli, who had long been one of his strongest supporters. Turns out he had met her on a suicide website, preyed on her fears about being alone and considered worthless, effectively brainwashed her into depending on him, and then Mind Raped her to bring out the power of her Epitaph. When all of his plans fail and he gets infected with AIDA himself, he then spends the first half of the final volume putting together a sadistic tournament for the sole purpose of making Haseo and the rest suffer (harming quite a few others in the process), and laughing at the pain he's causing.

"It was the best of times, it was the BLURST of times?"
SumDumNerd LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED from [REDACTED] Since: May, 2017 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED
#201182: Feb 9th 2020 at 10:06:58 PM

Revised writeup for Dr. Erswick:

  • The Last Lamia: Dr. Theodore Erswick is the sociopathic leader of Avatech's Project Ascension. After forming a Faustian deal with a tribe of Lamias, he has them kidnapped from their beds at night to perform excessive experiments and Electric Torture on them, then wipe their memories so that his pact can remain intact. When instructed to commit genocide on the Lamia species, Erswick sadistically agrees and has their homes burned and the Lamias slaughtered with guns and poisoned blades. When he comes across the dying Lamia Sovereign, he tortures her by shooting her repeatedly, then burns her alive for his own amusement. He has his soldiers collect all the Lamia corpses to harvest for their DNA, and transports them back to the city of Brookhaven, where he experiments with his genetic rewriting by performing horrific and torturous experiments on innocent people just trying to survive, killing them or transforming them into mindless monsters in constant agony. When Rebel leader Xander makes a deal with Erswick to turn over his allies in exchange for Erswick curing his sister Lani's fatal disease, Erswick betrays him and instead kidnaps all four members of the rebel group, injecting them with his experimental formula. He then mocks them as they succumb to the formula's effects, with Lani burning to death from the inside and technician Brec transforming into another monster. When Xander confronts Erswick, Erswick tortures and kills him with a Tesla coil. He then commands the monster to capture the survivor, Jason, for further experimentation.

Edited by SumDumNerd on Feb 9th 2020 at 11:11:25 AM

Read Slender Man vs Siren Head 2: The Foundation here
captainmarkle Limited Patients from Behind you Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#201183: Feb 9th 2020 at 10:51:39 PM

[up] maybe it's just because I'm reading this on my mobile, but that seems a tad long. Sounds like a nasty guy, though.

[up][up] I'm not familiar with the work, but that entry reads like a forum post rather than the thorough entries we usually get here... With no offence intended to whoever wrote the .hack entry.

[tup] Amon, Algrin

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#201184: Feb 9th 2020 at 11:17:28 PM

[tup]Algrin

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#201185: Feb 9th 2020 at 11:44:23 PM

So I wasn’t the only one who felt that Sakaki’s entry needed a rewrite.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
KingofNightmares Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#201186: Feb 10th 2020 at 12:10:30 AM

[up][up][up] The .hack entry was probably written back in 2010 or something and was never changed at all since then like most entries from that time.

[up] It absolutely needs a rewrite

Edited by KingofNightmares on Feb 10th 2020 at 12:13:11 PM

"It was the best of times, it was the BLURST of times?"
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#201189: Feb 10th 2020 at 6:30:36 AM

Alright, so Sabrina update...we've got one minor characters worthy of an EP, and one major one on the watchlist. Lucifer does return from imprisonment and does spare Lilith due to her being pregnant with his unborn son, but this seems entirely on the concept of an heir. he's still evil as ever with no redemptive arc in sight. Meanwhile, Fautus Blackwood is monstrous as it gets, after murdering his own coven, trying to sacrifice his children and out of spite trying to wipe out the world. However, he ends the season free and clear, and on a new plot for Season 4, so I'm gonna give him a bit more time, just in case.

Jimmy Platt on the other hand...

Who is Jimmy Platt?

An ice cream man for the Jelly Frost company, Jimmy was a formerly devout fellow who, after a car wreck, called out to god to save him. Satan answered first with a 'standard' deal: Seven years of life in exchange for his soul. Jimmy agreed, but time ran out...when Lucifer came calling, Jimmy begged for more time and Lucifer told him there was a price for more years of life: an innocent soul. Jimmy took this to mean a child and began to sacrifice little girls he kidnapped, cutting out their hearts, eating them and offering them to the Dark Lord.

Sabrina ends up the new ruler of hell and stuck on the issues of proving herself to the demonic hierarchy, ho are less than thrilled with her management. To show she's got the right stuff, Sabrina is given the task of harvesting a soul from a deal. Being Sabrina, she's unable to take innocent souls who just went into bad deals and keeps sending them to heaven instead....until she meets Jimmy who cheerfully informs her of the standard extension, horrifying Sabrina...except Jimmy leverages this because he's the only one who knows where the little girl is and if Sabrina takes him to hell, the girl will die anyways. It turns out the girl, Lucy, is being stored in a refrigerator and when Sabrina finds him, Jimmy reveals he trapped the fridge so that she can't teleport out, leaving her to rot there and Lucy to freeze...Sabrina later escapes, and Jimmy attempts to take and sacrifice a little boy...who turns out to be Sabrina in disguise....revoking his immunity, Sabrina has her minions drag Jimmy down to hell for a very unpleasant afterlife...

Heinousness?

A pretty low ranked one this time around, but not a demon or a powerful warlock. He's just an ice cream man who selfishly buys out his life by sacrificing children on the regular. And the whole 'child sacrifice' thing is a pretty unique crime that Jimmy came up with all on his own. Even Satan remarks "hey, I never said it has to be a child."

Mitigating Qualities?

Any sympathies for his backstory? Long gone. Jimmy's become a devoted satanist, and he walked into the deal with eyes open as opposed to just dying and going to heaven, and then he decides to keep his soul safe by murdering a load of innocent kids. Pointed out, Satan never made this much clear to him and when he finds out Sabrina is the new Satan he tries to cheat or even trap her to let the kid die anyways. No, Jimmy's pretty devoid of good qualities.

Conclusion?

I'd say a yes to Jimmy Platt.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#201190: Feb 10th 2020 at 6:34:27 AM

[tup]Platt

Huh lucifer came back. Does he do anything new for his entry.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#201192: Feb 10th 2020 at 6:38:39 AM

Nothing worth adding for Lucifer yet.

Blackwood to date has, just for the record, as a bit of a truncated list:

- reversed Sabrina's father's decrees to make the Church of Night kinder and gentler, turning it back to seriously evil rites in Satan's service, including one holiday of cannibalism.

- used a spell to destroy the mind of Sabrina's Aunt Zelda to make her a perfect, submissive Stepford Wife for him.

- Poisoned his own coven out of spite over Satan elevating Sabrina above him

- Tried to kill his own children for power

- Allied with Pagan cults to destroy the planet out of spite again.

Edited by Lightysnake on Feb 10th 2020 at 6:38:55 AM

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#201193: Feb 10th 2020 at 6:41:13 AM

[tup] Platt. This the second evil ice cream man proposed on this thread?

Edited by therealjackieboy on Feb 10th 2020 at 6:43:44 AM

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#201194: Feb 10th 2020 at 6:44:20 AM

[up][up]What a complete asshole. Weird I heard from season one that he was pretty generic. Looks like he really stepped up to monsterhood.

[up]Billy Kincaid right is the other one

Edited by miraculous on Feb 10th 2020 at 6:49:19 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#201195: Feb 10th 2020 at 6:53:37 AM

Sure to Platt. I'd be SLIGHTLY hesitant in that he may have thought Satan may have meant a child, but there's still Immortality Immorality. (Also, Sabrina is Satan? Huh.)

Isn't Platt only in 1 ep?

We've also got Rick; Pronge; Sweet Tooth; Cecil. So, 6th.

Edited by ACW on Feb 10th 2020 at 9:54:27 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#201196: Feb 10th 2020 at 6:54:53 AM

Basically avoid the ice scream man as much as possible is the lesson we've learned.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
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#201198: Feb 10th 2020 at 7:01:22 AM
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