During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Sounds like a good idea to me.
As the one who came up with the idea. Yes to a Fanscription folder.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread- Wild Knights Gulkeeva:
- Prince Zaza is the ruler of Norsetia and the leader of the Darknoid army. Destined to restore his home planet, Athaelia, to a more inhabitable state, Zaza decided to perform the Grand Transmutation, a dangerous spell capable of draining all life from planet Earth. With various Darknoid minions at his disposal, Zaza sent them to attack various cities around the world to find the magical Bouethers, resulting in thousands of deaths. After all the Bouethers were uncovered, Zaza transported a Darknoid fortress to Japan to destroy most of the military forces, while he slowly gathered more power to complete the Transmutation. When Queen Millennia and her forces surround Zaza and try to get him to surrender, he ignores her pleas and uses his powers to kill or wound the queen and most of her soldiers. Once the Transmutation starts, Zaza transforms into the Devil and tries to kill the protagonists when they arrive to stop him. Although he claims to care about Athaelians, Zaza was more than happy to kill any Athaelians who disagreed with his plans and showed no concern when his own soldiers were slaughtered.
- Dancer, from "The Nightmare in the Morning," is a Darknoid mercenary hired to kill the Legendary Knights and Beast Warriors. Against his employers' wishes, Dancer opted to use the Devil's Core to take out the heroes, despite knowing that it'll blow up planet Earth and exterminate the Darknoids as well. When the other Darknoids inform Dancer about how devastating the weapon is, Dancer chooses to activate it anyway since he was ordered to defeat the heroes by any means necessary. After Dancer is fatally wounded trying to escape from the Darknoids, he uses his last ounce of energy to transfer his powers to Onimaru, corrupting him and setting the Devil's Core to crash into Earth.
So do we have CMs who are considered less evil than other characters? Because on the A Lighter Shade of Black page, President Snow is apparently considered less evil than Coin because he's willing to go through with a threat or promise.
Edited by k410ren on Feb 5th 2020 at 4:52:34 AM
"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills![]()
My point is that it's there and wondering whether or not it should be deleted.
Edited by k410ren on Feb 5th 2020 at 4:59:37 AM
"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and killsI'll finalize the Fanscription folder tomorrow, and then submit that Friday along with the swaps for Arrowverse Monster Reformat and Grimm Fairy Tales Monster Reformat.
Fanscription folder.
By the way, what are your thoughts on making sections for light novels, manhua, and manhwa on the Other Media subpage? I don't think all of them are adapted into anime and manga, and manhua and manhwa are not even Japanese.
Yes to the Demon Hunter duo. Condolences, Klavice.
@miraculous and @Awesomekid: I think you're both thinking of La Femme
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Midnight in my time zone, has been a slow day...
Revival is a fanfic written by Austin, which serves as a crossover between The Loud House and The Cthulhu Mythos.
It starts with the Loud's grieving the death of their family dog Charles, and one of the younger siblings Lana meeting a mysterious stranger named Maya Lottie who gives her the Necromonicon as the means of resurrecting Charles. From their it escalates into an adventure of saving the world from just about every member of the Lovecraftian pantheon.
And who is the orchestrator behind this apocalypse ? C'mon, you know who it's going to be.
Who is Maya Lottie aka Nyarlathotep ? What does she/he/it do ?
Nyarlathotep, as per tradition is one of the few genuinely sapient and malevolent members of the pantheon; this fic also depicts Eihort, Cthulhu and Yog Sothoth as such beings. As usual he is the messenger of the Outer Gods and generally screws around with mankind on both high and low scales, in various forms and avatars. Throughout the story, his main form is that of that a young girl named Maya Lotti (he also occasional shifts into his other classic forms). Recently he's become bored with playing his usual games and decides to put an end to it all via full scale apocalypse with all the heavy hitters present.
Arriving in the Loud's home town of Royal Woods, Nyarlathotep starts out small - just a voice that lures the Loud family dog Charles into the middle of the road and getting hit by the minivan. Grieving anne blaming herself for the loss, one of the Loud sisters Lana is approached by Maya Lotti, who claims to empathize with her loss and gives her the Necromonicon as a means to bring Charles back. Lana gets her older sister Lucy (who is more knowledgable of the occult) to help her; unbeknownst to the girls, the spells they are reading are a total invocation of the entire pantheon onto earth. Charles does come back...but as a zombie that terrifies the family and immediately needs to be put back down.
As for where Maya herself came from ? As it turns out Nyarlathotep visited another town, taking the form of an old woman who captivates said town. He drives a local girl insane, before driving the town to madness, and mass murder/suicide. The only survivor is Patrick Stark, who we later learn is a descendant of Abdul Alhazred. Stark manages to make it home among the chaos, only to discover Nyarlathotep devouring his family. Nyarlathotep has since then made Stark his prisoner/slave, while constantly appearing as Stark's daughter Maya. At one point, while running an errand "Maya" is jumped by a trio of goons who don't know what they're getting into, which results in "Maya" killing two and driving one out of their own mind.
Anyways after Charles is put back down, Lana tries reading the Necromonicon to fix the situation but ends up Mind Raped before she can finish the invocation. Maya leads the spawn of Eihort as an army to try to take the book from the Loud family, chasing them through the town as they try to escape. Maya looses Eihort's brood onto Royal Woods, alone slaughtering hundreds of people. She drives the Loud's father Lynn Sr. out of his own mind, later doing the same to the mother of the family Rita. After fleeing the city, the Loud's briefly take refuge with a hunter who's group was previously killed by Nyarlathotep (with said hunter immediately getting killed himself). Nyarlathotep has two of the sisters, Leni and Lola, souls drained out and put into a flask, holding them hostage for the rest of the Loud's to give him the Necromonicon in the woods.
When given the Necromonicon as Maya, Nyarlathotep casts the flask into the space time, through the gates of the old gods realms. Since Lana's mind is still scrambled, "Maya" finishes the invocation herself. What results is the old gods and the great old ones manifesting all over the world, and wrecking havok. Nyarlathotep has the Loud siblings bound and opens several portals/windows so they can watch the destruction; Father Dagon wrecking San Francisco with a tsunami, alone killing 2200 people; Eihort forcibly impregnating and killing dozens of people while he goes on his own rampage; Cthuhlu destroying a football stadium full of people; Shub-Niggurath wiping out an army that killed some of her spawn.
While Nyaralthotep waits for Yog Sothoth and Azathoth to arrive, Lincoln ends up making a deal with him to save Leni and Lola's souls; in exchange, Nyarlathotep must call off the invasion. Nyarlathotep reluctantly agrees to make the game more interesting, not planning on making good on his deal even if Lincoln succeeded. Meanwhile, the Loud sisters and Stark find out the Necronomicon is also a Soul Jar to Abdul Alhazred, as Patrick starts to master its power. Nyaralthotep has Lincoln travel through space time in order to get the flask back.To cheat at his own game, Nyarlathotep approaches Cthulhu (who has just levelled New York) and orders him to kill the Loud sisters. As Cthulhu arrives, Stark tortures Alhazred into revealing his weakness; ends with Cthulhu being tricked into getting killed by Shub-Niggurath.
With Cthulhu dead, and Lincoln managing to get his sisters souls back, Nyarlathotep snaps and forcibly drags Lincoln out of space time, forcing Stark and the Loud siblings into a final confrontation. This ultimately ends with Stark turning the power of the Necronomicon against him, and slowly disintegrating Nyarlathotep; as this happens they see Nyaralthotep's life flashing before their eyes, revealing all the atrocities, dictatorships, wars and genocide he has been behind or involved in for centuries. Despite his defeat, the invasion isn't over yet when Yog-Sothoth arrives as the True Final Boss to finish what Nyaralthotep has started, but he's swiftly defeated and all the surviving old ones are reimpriosned. The Loud family is restored as the world tries to rebuild itself, and Nyarlathotep left behind a seemingly human progeny that Stark decides to raise to be good to posthumously spite him.
Redeeming Qualites or Freudian Excuse ?
Most of this can be chalked up too "This is Nyarlathotep we're talking about."
But if you want details, he's pretty a Psychotic Manchild (both in and out his Maya persona, in which he acts like a bored teenage brat) taken to a cosmic scale, who has daddy issues over Azathoth being a blind idiot who didn't give him a name. Not played for sympathy, but he is called out on how pathetic he truly is during his Villainous Breakdown.
He doesn't have any care for his brethren, and makes it clear he either despises them outright or sees them as pawns and minions. He gets mad that Cthulhu is killed, but it literally amounts to his plans to kill the Loud's failing. His reasoning for wanting to destroy all reality is because he's gone bored with the games he usually plays on people and wants to close the curtain on everything. He makes deals with people but never intends to pay up his end of the bargain, and keeps Stark alive to use as a personal servant, spiting him by appearing in the form of his daughter and repeatedly reminding him of how his family still screams within him.
Heinous Standard
Blows it out of the Yog-Sothoth eaten water!
Excluding the crimes Nyarlathotep personally commits in the story, such as driving an entire town into mass suicide; devouring a family; mind raping people left, right and center; stealing people's souls; he also attempts to orchestrate the ultimate Lovecraft apocalypse, which alone kills thousands upon thousands of people, and attempts to destroy reality. And as he dies, we are revealed a Historical Rapsheet of sorts about his involvement in all the great atrocities he was involved in.
There are the other members of the pantheon trying to destroy the world, like Cthulhu wiping out a city, or Eihort killing at least dozen people after forcibly impregnating them...except their heinous deeds are an extension of Nyarlathotep's goal.
There's also Yog Sothoth himself, who doesn't do much as the True Final Boss besides torture the Loud children, and attempt to finish of Nyarlathotep started. He is defeated almost as soon as he appears.
Edited by Beast on Feb 5th 2020 at 11:20:24 AM
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
