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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#200651: Feb 5th 2020 at 5:23:58 AM

Not the same continuity (unlike Clone Wars and Rebels apparently), but similar enough, so okay:

Helps that Rob wrote both too.

Shouldn't the FS examples be in chronological order instead? I'll do it later on.

~Nathanoraptor Did you post your writeup for Kaa here? I saw it at the drafts.

There's also a CM version of Deadpool, so there you go.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Feb 5th 2020 at 9:53:20 AM

SkyCat32 (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#200652: Feb 5th 2020 at 5:32:38 AM

[up] Any thoughts on the Demon Hunters duo?

[down] Ok. Looking forward to your input. Writeup looks good too.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Feb 5th 2020 at 8:37:10 AM

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#200653: Feb 5th 2020 at 5:35:33 AM

[up]I'll read the EPs and lock in votes in a bit.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#200654: Feb 5th 2020 at 5:38:46 AM

Chase: To Live-Action it shall go then.

Future: Please add that rewrite to the Drafts.

So this request was made. I don't have any problem with the Mushiking one, but did we ever decide on the other ones?

[tup] Demon Hunter duo. Killed by your own Kaiju and blown up by a grenade. Huh.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#200655: Feb 5th 2020 at 5:41:23 AM

I'm fine with the Fanscription!Palpatine expansion.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 5th 2020 at 7:41:39 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#200656: Feb 5th 2020 at 5:56:13 AM

Is that really necessary. I don't remember discussing that.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#200657: Feb 5th 2020 at 5:59:14 AM

Did we discuss that Mushiking thing? Did it happen while I was on my trip?

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#200658: Feb 5th 2020 at 6:20:26 AM

@ACW I already did. smile

I'm a little concerned that each is a different continuity, but side from having the same author, both are FS too, so I think it's still fitting even then.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Feb 5th 2020 at 6:22:55 AM

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#200659: Feb 5th 2020 at 6:22:26 AM

[tup] Bachibachi.

[tup] Demon Scorpion

To ACW: Yeah, cut Slum King

Watch me destroying my country
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#200660: Feb 5th 2020 at 6:43:05 AM

I'm fine with the Mushiking thing, because the entry had been approved and it's based on the game, so that's fine. It's the other stuff I wonder about.

As for Slum King: I gotta say, that seems TEXTBOOK Made of Evil.

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#200661: Feb 5th 2020 at 6:45:28 AM

[up]I mean, right after Satan reveal all that, Slum King transformed into Lord Zenon from original manga (which revealed to be who his true form), where he acted as some sort of right hand to Satan, and fly away never to be seen again, as the focus shifts to Violence Jack and his two companions (who look like his female and child versions) merging and reveal themselves to be Akira Fudou and then fighting Satan and saving the world. So make up of that reveal what you will.

BTW, here is the image of Jinmen from Shin Violence Jack.

Edited by VeryVileVillian on Feb 5th 2020 at 5:54:30 PM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#200662: Feb 5th 2020 at 6:48:51 AM

So weird sounding

Isn't that manga only though. The ova doesn't have any of that from what I heard.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#200663: Feb 5th 2020 at 6:49:55 AM

[up]Yeah. OVA, as far as i know, didn't adapt any of this.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#200664: Feb 5th 2020 at 6:51:36 AM

The OVA is just adaptations of early arcs of the manga. Cut the Slum King

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Critica7 Self-Declared King of Everything from Smallville Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Self-Declared King of Everything
#200666: Feb 5th 2020 at 6:52:39 AM

[tdown] to Slum King.

Check out my current fanfiction project.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#200667: Feb 5th 2020 at 6:57:26 AM

Cut away.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#200668: Feb 5th 2020 at 7:06:05 AM

Wait, does that mean OVA!Slum King could count, since it doesn't mention his origins?

EDIT: Actually, wait, probably not:

In the Violence Jack Harlem Bomber OVA he is just a warlord who has taken over Kanto with an iron fist who was offended that Violence Jack was stronger than him so he sends his (most possibly weaker) minions to take out Jack. He is seen again in the 3rd OVA as a nonspeaking cameo at the end that was contacter by Dante's blonde man but that is as far as the story goes in the anime as there are only 3 OVA's.

Edited by ACW on Feb 5th 2020 at 10:07:26 AM

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#200669: Feb 5th 2020 at 7:06:26 AM

I did say we would be cutting him. And as such, we have to discard the image.

As for The Greatest Magicmasters Retirement Plan and Nidome No Yuusha, there actually ARE manga adaptations. So moving them is unnecessary.

Edited by MasterN on Feb 5th 2020 at 7:09:48 AM

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#200670: Feb 5th 2020 at 7:09:34 AM

[up][up]Does he uh even do anything in the ova....

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#200671: Feb 5th 2020 at 7:11:36 AM

We should not do this thing of "oh, this small slice of an adaptation doesn't mention mitigating qualities, ergo they're in," It feels like cheating.

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#200672: Feb 5th 2020 at 7:12:07 AM

[up][up][up][up]I look into the OVA's if there may be other potential keepers from there (due to maybe lower heinous standard or something like that). I wanted to propose Dante the Immortal from Violence Jack manga, but after reading it further, it is hard for me to make him stand out. I recheck to know for sure, but Hell's Town arc (there was a possible keeper there, but he shown to care for his right hand henchman, as when Jack killed him, he cried) and El Dorado arc, plus the arc with one of Slum King's enforcers, make it difficult for him to stand out.

Edited by VeryVileVillian on Feb 5th 2020 at 6:14:09 PM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
Nathanoraptor Since: Oct, 2010
#200674: Feb 5th 2020 at 7:32:53 AM

Here's the write-up for Fanfic!Kaa

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#200675: Feb 5th 2020 at 7:50:18 AM

I thought the Slum King's apparent agency issues were contradicted by Word of God. No?


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