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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Stellarvore Since: Apr, 2016
#200601: Feb 4th 2020 at 11:34:38 AM

Uh, not to nitpick, but I saw a typo in the writeup for the Amon Amarth candidate. It should say he's "a cannibalistic, undead Blood Knight", not "an". Also, pretty cool to see a candidate from Draugûl. I'm actually friends (okay, fine, acquaintances) with the guy behind that project.

[down]Yes.

Edited by Stellarvore on Feb 4th 2020 at 1:40:16 PM

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#200602: Feb 4th 2020 at 11:37:09 AM

I want to propose an image of a Slum King from Violence Jack.

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#200603: Feb 4th 2020 at 11:40:48 AM

[up]Wait, so are we cutting Slum King or not? I remember there were reservations we had with him way back.

Edited by MasterN on Feb 4th 2020 at 11:43:24 AM

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#200604: Feb 4th 2020 at 11:41:02 AM

Looks Good

Also Vile when your making an image pickin thread. If you have more then one option for a specific page. Link to them all in the first post. People can decide from their which one they want from that page.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#200605: Feb 4th 2020 at 11:43:26 AM

I agree, but I think ~Lightysnake said we might be cutting the Slum King, and I do not want to get an image up only to have to take it down because the character featured no longer qualifies.

Edited by MasterN on Feb 4th 2020 at 11:43:47 AM

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#200606: Feb 4th 2020 at 11:45:53 AM

Wait didn't lighty vouch for him since Go Nagai's cosmology is made that all things would have agency.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#200607: Feb 4th 2020 at 11:49:16 AM

I asked about Slum King's agency issues, as it was revealed that he was partly a manifestation of Satan's desire to punish himself, but i was informed that all creatures in Devilman universe have agency.

About Image Picking, i asked about before if i can propose images to multiple pages in a single thread (as i want to propose images to not only Mega Man, but also Redwall and Fallout) and got no answer.

Nathanoraptor Since: Oct, 2010
#200608: Feb 4th 2020 at 11:50:21 AM

Given that we have 14 [tup] and no [tdown] to fanfic!Kaa, I assume she's "in"; should I start a write-up now or should I wait a bit longer?

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#200609: Feb 4th 2020 at 11:52:38 AM

You can start it now if you want.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#200610: Feb 4th 2020 at 11:54:16 AM

I think Lighty said going off what Go usually does the Slum King can probably stay.

Fanfic!Kaa's probably good for a writeup now. Western Animation or Live-Action film?

For Image Pickin', each page gets its own thread.

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#200611: Feb 4th 2020 at 12:21:30 PM

Okay, i've created Image Picking threads in its forum for Fallout, Mega Man and Redwall. Obviously right now they are blocked until a moderator review them and i didn't realize in the beginning that a need to type all words with a big letters, so they won't "merge".

In a meanwhile, can i ask what is going on in this page image?

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#200612: Feb 4th 2020 at 12:35:41 PM

I think he's using an attack to slice her to pieces. But uh since its horizontal rather then vertical. It's not super clear

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
SkyCat32 (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#200614: Feb 4th 2020 at 12:45:53 PM

Oh, and the Slum King image works. Violent, but not excessively so, and no worse than some we have up.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#200616: Feb 4th 2020 at 2:39:06 PM

[tup] to the Slum King image.

Speaking of, how do you feel about this pic of Mr. Haig from Steel Annual #1—Crucible of Freedom?

Edited by ImperialMajestyXO on Feb 4th 2020 at 2:42:26 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#200617: Feb 4th 2020 at 2:57:23 PM

Works for me.

For Kaa, where should it go? Other? Crossovers? As it seems a mix of the original and both Disney ones.

Edited by ACW on Feb 4th 2020 at 5:58:31 AM

SkyCat32 (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#200618: Feb 4th 2020 at 2:59:09 PM

[up][up] Reminds me of that image I suggested for Simon Legree. Good find.

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#200619: Feb 4th 2020 at 2:59:38 PM

[up] Maybe we need some kind of "composite" folder.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#200620: Feb 4th 2020 at 3:01:11 PM

I'm thinking just an "other" for now at least, unless there are any current other ones like that.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#200622: Feb 4th 2020 at 3:11:04 PM

Kaa should probably go under the Live-Action film folder, since it's supposed to be a retelling of the 2016 film and takes most of its inspiration from that.

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#200623: Feb 4th 2020 at 3:57:57 PM

[tup]Kaa and the Haig & Slum King images

For the image pickin threads, the 1st image of Horrigan and the 2nd image of Cluny

Edited by nwotyzal on Feb 4th 2020 at 3:59:09 AM

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#200624: Feb 4th 2020 at 4:49:53 PM

[tup] Kaa

As for Nightwatch, just specify that it's the remake version.

SumDumNerd LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED from [REDACTED] Since: May, 2017 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED
#200625: Feb 4th 2020 at 4:55:06 PM

[tup] Kaa. That just brought back horrible memories of a Jungle Book fic I read a long time ago where Kaa was the main villain, so thanks for that.

Read Slender Man vs Siren Head 2: The Foundation here

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