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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#200576: Feb 4th 2020 at 7:16:47 AM

Let's go with this:

The Tales Series makes a point of having most villains be ultimately well-intentioned and/or sympathetic, but there are a select few who defy the trend by being pure evil.

Edited by ACW on Feb 4th 2020 at 10:16:53 AM

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#200577: Feb 4th 2020 at 7:22:06 AM

[up] Sure. I am A-OK with that.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere. Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
SkyCat32 (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Critica7 Self-Declared King of Everything from Smallville Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Self-Declared King of Everything
#200581: Feb 4th 2020 at 7:57:02 AM

[tup] to Kaa, I guess.

Check out my current fanfiction project.
ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#200582: Feb 4th 2020 at 7:58:57 AM

I understand your reservations and am a bit leery myself, but I think we should let them make an EP before we officially vote.

Edited by ImperialMajestyXO on Feb 4th 2020 at 8:02:25 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#200583: Feb 4th 2020 at 8:10:59 AM

Who are you talking too?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
SkyCat32 (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#200584: Feb 4th 2020 at 8:23:02 AM

[up] I think he was referring to the Dumbledore thing. I too would be willing to hear out a proper effortpost, although in all likelihood, the answer is still probably going to be no.

[down] This trope is not a badge of honour, and I don’t think I’m getting anyone’s hopes up, especially since I myself said that I’d probably still say no. I guess that the only reason I want to hear an effortpost is that it’s proper procedure.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Feb 4th 2020 at 11:56:53 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#200585: Feb 4th 2020 at 8:25:05 AM

I thought we were off that. The dude proposed him and we downvoted him. Just move on

Not trying to sound rude but raising someone's hopes for a guy we know we'll downvote is kinda mean.

Edited by miraculous on Feb 4th 2020 at 8:36:38 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#200587: Feb 4th 2020 at 8:42:25 AM

Huh, You Would Make a Great Model is a thing. So is Sexual Extortion, which is probably more common for CMs than currently used.

Edited by ACW on Feb 4th 2020 at 11:44:00 AM

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#200588: Feb 4th 2020 at 8:58:07 AM

[up][up][up] Point, but it honestly feels a bit hypocritical to insist they make an EP, then reject their candidate before they can do so.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#200589: Feb 4th 2020 at 9:03:04 AM

Errr...not seeing where Murder Party is a straight satire like Scary Movie. It isn't. It's a black comedy, but Alexander and the climax are played seriously by the end. So...definitely not agreeing it's not played seriously enough.

Yes to Kaa.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#200590: Feb 4th 2020 at 9:04:54 AM

[tup]Kaa

Giant Snake cms are always cool imo.

[up][up]You where the one who told them to make that proposal though despite the fact it was rather obvious we were going to downvote him even from the fee troopers above.

Edited by miraculous on Feb 4th 2020 at 9:19:46 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#200591: Feb 4th 2020 at 9:21:17 AM

Personally I kinda feel were making assumptions here. For all we know the fic is a legit AU and Voldemort Dosent really do that much in it.

Things are really about to get Fun around here
k410ren Since: Jan, 2016
#200592: Feb 4th 2020 at 9:25:28 AM

Are there any opinions on the Nightwatch (1994) CM on the previous page and copying his entry onto a YMMV page?

Edited by k410ren on Feb 4th 2020 at 12:28:19 PM

"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#200593: Feb 4th 2020 at 9:29:56 AM

Kinda curious. How much is similar between the remake and original .

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
k410ren Since: Jan, 2016
#200594: Feb 4th 2020 at 9:30:41 AM

I believe that they're pretty similar, except with the killer scalping his victims instead of removing their eyes. They were made by the same director for one thing. As it stands right now they share the same page. I meant to do an EP years ago, but I haven't been able to obtain the original Danish version. Would anyone be willing to step forward?

Edited by k410ren on Feb 4th 2020 at 12:33:14 PM

"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#200595: Feb 4th 2020 at 9:32:01 AM

Uh well are all the names the same for both. I'm not sure going off the page

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
username2527 Since: Nov, 2013
#200596: Feb 4th 2020 at 10:11:06 AM

@Lighty: The ending is a group of people looking upon the dead bodies in the room calling the blood and gore "art". And the film ends with the protagonist returning home with the same "murder party" invitation sitting on his couch like nothing happened. It's not played seriously.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#200597: Feb 4th 2020 at 10:18:50 AM

Yeah, the ending masacre and the rest absolutely is. Yes, there's black comedy but that isn't always a bar here.

k410ren Since: Jan, 2016
#200598: Feb 4th 2020 at 10:18:54 AM

[up][up][up]Some of the names are Anglicized, ie Martin Bork (Waldau) becomes Martin Bells (McGregor).

Edited by k410ren on Feb 4th 2020 at 1:21:21 PM

"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#200599: Feb 4th 2020 at 10:29:49 AM

Okay that's a bit of an issue. Meaning we can't just transfer the entry directly. If their are enough name changes and a few detail differentiated. I think it would be fine to just have two separate entries. Has anyone seem the original for that ep

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
SkyCat32 (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#200600: Feb 4th 2020 at 10:49:26 AM

I figured it was something like what I said, username.


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