During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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What is the Work
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
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Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Balekin, Cossack and Duvic
Kanade Otonokoji qualifies as a Complete Monster, but she isn't listed in the Fan Works page. Is someone going to add her?
The person who proposed her not only did an ‘improper’ proposal, as in, not in the format we want characters to be proposed, but said person also has no indication that those who get a character approved should be the ones writing up these characters’ entries. I think there used to be an entry for her in the YMMV page, but I would like 43110 or someone else to rewrite it because it doesn’t look good.
Edited by Draxterrus on Feb 1st 2020 at 11:02:17 PM
Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.The entry was initially not approved, but someone came here, proposed her and she was approved. Still, nothing was done about her entry at the YMMV page, which is in need of a rewrite. Nor had the proposer returned here to do the rewrite.
The writeup can be found at Super Danganronpa Another 2.
Edited by Draxterrus on Feb 1st 2020 at 11:07:12 PM
Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.Before I do my writeup for the Soucollector, hey, I've got what might be my worst proposal yet! Though that might not be saying much, given the heinous standard of this very thread ...
What's the work?
Crepitus is a movie about a pair of sisters living with an insane, abusive alcoholic mother who discover their house is haunted by ghosts. After a bit of digging, they discover a horrible family secret.
Who is Crepitus? What has he done?
Crepitus is a sadistic Monster Clown who makes Art — and hell, maybe even Pennywise — look like a saint. Not even kidding. This guy is sick. He's a centuries old being, possibly of human origin, that needs to sustain himself off the flesh of children in order to live. He rapes women, among them his own daughter, and ten years after the birth of the offspring, he returns to devour them, with the implication that he subjects them to a lot of pain while doing so. Oh yeah, and he's not above keeping it out of the family, either.
He'd apparently raped his daughter Brandi twice, so he could have two children, one to eat, and the other ... well, let's just say to help continue his food supply. Brandi had gone pretty much insane after this, frequently beating her children and even keeping the sheriff under her thumb to return her children to her if they ran off in exchange for sex. Occasionally, she'd offer up free meals to Crepitus, namely cops. Once after getting it on with the sheriff, she threw him in the basement, and later did the same for a couple of cops who came by in response to a domestic disturbance complaint.
Towards the end, he visits the younger sister, Sam, in a dream on the night before her tenth birthday and scratches her deeply, then briefly possesses the older sister, Ellie, to drug Sam's cupcake. Which ... really does absolutely nothing except put her to sleep only for her to wake up after Crepitus has left Ellie's body. Ellie tries to stop her mother from feeding Sam to Crepitus, but she's taken to the basement and chained down, leaving Crepitus to kill her or worse so that she can escape his grasp. Sam attempts to hide from Brandi, and when she's found, she stabs her with a fire poker and Crepitus comes to finish her off.
Once she's down in the basement, Sam frees Ellie, who reveals that she promised to give her up to Crepitus in exchange for him making it quick. Sam tries to hide in the room underneath the basement, but discovers it's a prison where Crepitus holds the parents of his victims. He captures Sam, lays out a pendant on her while Ellie pleads for him to keep his promise, and threatens to make it painful for Sam if she interferes and threatens to cut Ellie's throat and orders her to wait for him to breed her. Just as he's getting ready to feed, he's attacked by Ellie, then by one of his prisoners, and is stalled just long enough for ... something to happen that makes him disintegrate, only for him to possess Sam through the pendant. And Sam — and another man — chain Ellie down to a table, with Crepitus' next intentions being pretty obvious. Yeah ... just ... what.
Mitigating factors?
It's not really clear what exactly he is, or if he was ever truly human, but he does masquerade as an ice cream man, so he might at least know enough about what it is to pass for human if he wasn't, so I don't see agency as an issue. As for his feeding habits, well, eating children is bad enough, but he clearly takes enjoyment in it.
Heinous standard?
Now, Brandi is an awful, awful mother, and any sympathy she might have had as a victim of incest goes out the window seeing how horribly she treated her daughters and that she hates them by her own admittance, but Crepitus tops her in every other regard. Sam finds a scrapbook with filled pictures of his child victims, though that isn't even all of them. Ellie says that his deeds go back centuries and has been corrupting the family tree for generations. So yeah, pretty clear-cut that he sets the heinous standard.
Other?
Does this movie sound grimdark and filled with Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy in addition to some painfully bad acting and Narm to rival Rob Zombie's Halloween? Because guess what, it kinda is. But I figure it's got enough of a plot and character depth not to be thrown into the same realm as, say, the August Underground trilogy (not that I've watched them).
Verdict?
Incestuous child-eating bastard offspring of Billy Kincaid and the Violator? Keep him.
Edited by Stellarvore on Feb 2nd 2020 at 4:30:59 AM
to Duvic, and another
to Crepitus the incestuous cannibal clown (says it all, really).
My belated writeup for Aldezhor:
Messenger by Edward Lee: Aldezhor the Messenger is a Fallen Angel tasked with spreading the Devil's message of "atrocity [and] abomination" on Earth. Corrupting and possessing those who come into contact with his cursed bell striker, Aldezhor uses them to commit horrifying acts of rape, torture, and murder before having them kill themselves. Aldezhor prefers to use postal workers as hosts out of a sadistic sense of irony, and after breaking a post office manager with sickening images of his daughter in Hell, he uses the man to spread his influence to others. Through various hosts, Aldezhor massacres scores of people in a series of savage mass murders, leaving his symbol written in blood at each crime scene. Lusting after the heroine Jane, Aldezhor desires to rape her once on Earth and forever in Hell, hoping to use her lover's body to rape and kill her in front of her children before murdering them as well.
Yes to Crepitus. That's a new one though... Even though I'm not particularly disturbed knowing this thread.
There we go :
- Hospitality
(archive
): Hansel & Gretel are a far cry from the heroic kids in the original tale. A pair of adult siblings and serial killers, Hansel & Gretel had already shown sociopathic tendencies before starting their killing spree, pelting animals with rocks or trapping them inside holes and leave them for dead. Trying to escape their poor upbringing, the siblings decided to kill wealthy old women for their money. Having killed and cut to pieces already 11 women and their own grandmother by the time the story starts, they wander around a forest, with Gretel wondering whether or not she should kill her own brother. Upon reaching an old woman's house, Hansel & Gretel attempts to kill her for her golden necklace. When their riches are stolen, the villainous siblings blame and attempt to kill each other. When the old woman trapped them and turns out to be a witch, Hansel attempts to sold out Gretel so that he could escape with his life. Despite their poor background, these siblings prove to be irredeemable, greedy beings.
Edited by GeorgieEnkoom on Feb 2nd 2020 at 10:01:20 AM
J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
