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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#200326: Feb 1st 2020 at 1:17:09 PM

I mean if its that's obvious that he's hitler and WOG confirms. I'm not sure we need to say it's just implied and could just use his name.

Edited by miraculous on Feb 1st 2020 at 1:17:47 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#200327: Feb 1st 2020 at 1:18:38 PM

That might not be bad. Let's go with "The nameless warlock—actually Adolf Hitler—..."

EDIT: Also:

Edited by ACW on Feb 1st 2020 at 4:48:52 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#200328: Feb 1st 2020 at 1:53:51 PM

The Flash 1990 is part of the Arrowverse though. It should still remain on the page.

Flash 1990 and Black Lightning have been confirmed by Word of God to be the only real versions on the Crisis, everybody else was just a one-way canon cameo.

I mean hell, that Flash died in the event.

Edited by Forenperser on Feb 1st 2020 at 10:56:30 AM

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ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#200329: Feb 1st 2020 at 1:56:27 PM

Except here, it's listed in "Other Earths". Plus it's not like, say, Constantine which was retroactively added and which John was a member of the Legends of Tomorrow.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#200330: Feb 1st 2020 at 1:57:16 PM

Actually it's on Arrowverse: Earth-90.

And Supergirl previously also wasn't part of Earth-1, yet still listed on the page.

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ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#200331: Feb 1st 2020 at 1:59:42 PM

I mean, I guess?...can someone who watches the shows please help?

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#200332: Feb 1st 2020 at 2:01:24 PM

It's fine. You can put it on the page. Flash 2014 does plenty of shotouts to the 1990 show anyway.

Maybe slot it at the bottom since unlike the main three which became a new earth prime (original arrowverse, supergirls earth and black lightings earth) this I think is perma destroyed.

Edited by miraculous on Feb 1st 2020 at 2:02:57 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#200333: Feb 1st 2020 at 2:12:42 PM

So AGAIN Flash has to be removed from Live Action TVA To L, after just requesting it yesterday? Huh.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#200334: Feb 1st 2020 at 2:13:28 PM

Wait I thought this was just the new version, didn't know it was already removed on the old one, lol.

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ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#200335: Feb 1st 2020 at 2:16:37 PM

Yeah, I took care of that and adding Black Lightning to the original one.

I'll just request the removal (sigh) when I swap the current sandbox.

Also, I assume it's the Earth-1 Trickster that's also a CM and not Earth-3?

Edited by ACW on Feb 1st 2020 at 5:22:16 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#200336: Feb 1st 2020 at 2:24:20 PM

Yeah, Earth 3 had barely a cameo.

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#200337: Feb 1st 2020 at 2:25:19 PM

Yeah. Hamill was busy with star wars so hasn't been able to return for a few years. Hopefully that changes soon.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#200338: Feb 1st 2020 at 2:25:36 PM

Anyone else wanna weigh in? He’s taking on a lot of work with the formatting shit and the back and forth would be frustrating.

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#200340: Feb 1st 2020 at 2:27:44 PM

[up][up] Yes, yes it would be [lol]

Though I don't mind it too much; blame my Super OCD or Asperger Syndrome [lol]

Edited by ACW on Feb 1st 2020 at 5:30:19 AM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#200341: Feb 1st 2020 at 2:31:16 PM

At this point, wouldn't it be easier just to have a page dedicated to all the DC shows, and point out how they crossover with each-other (kind of like how we have pages dedicated to DC cartoons and games)?

I haven't really watched many of them, but I think that's the easier solution.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#200342: Feb 1st 2020 at 2:34:53 PM

Lol no. Most of them don't crossover with each other at all barring arroverse shows.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#200344: Feb 1st 2020 at 3:05:04 PM

I wish I could help, ACW. Alas, I am not enough of a DC fanboy to be able to know where everything should go.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#200345: Feb 1st 2020 at 3:25:43 PM

Yes to Duvic. Merlot's rewrite looks great.

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#200346: Feb 1st 2020 at 3:36:38 PM

[tup]Cossack (do we have any actual cossacks as C Ms?) and Duvic (as well as the merlot rewrite)

Edited by nwotyzal on Feb 1st 2020 at 3:52:51 AM

Critica7 Self-Declared King of Everything from Smallville Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Self-Declared King of Everything
#200347: Feb 1st 2020 at 3:54:46 PM

[tup] to Duvic and the rewrite.

Check out my current fanfiction project.
SkyCat32 (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#200348: Feb 1st 2020 at 4:33:56 PM

[tup] The Prince, Hansel, Gretel, Lavoe, Soulcollector, Daib, Bishop, the Wolf, and Cossack.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Feb 1st 2020 at 10:19:51 AM

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#200349: Feb 1st 2020 at 4:35:43 PM

@k4 What does the full quote for Greyback look like?

k410ren Since: Jan, 2016
#200350: Feb 1st 2020 at 5:10:50 PM

The rest of the quote, started on Page 8012 goes as follows:

"It was Greyback who bit me... My father had offended him. I did not know, for a very long time, the identity of the werewolf that had attacked me; I even felt pity for him, thinking that he had no control, knowing by then how it felt to transform. But Greyback is not like that. At the full moon, he positions himself close to victims, ensuring that he is near enough to strike. He plans it all. And this is the man Voldemort is using to marshal the werewolves."

Edited by k410ren on Feb 1st 2020 at 8:17:39 AM

"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills

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