During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
That might not be bad. Let's go with "The nameless warlock—actually Adolf Hitler—..."
EDIT: Also:
Edited by ACW on Feb 1st 2020 at 4:48:52 AM
The Flash 1990 is part of the Arrowverse though. It should still remain on the page.
Flash 1990 and Black Lightning have been confirmed by Word of God to be the only real versions on the Crisis, everybody else was just a one-way canon cameo.
I mean hell, that Flash died in the event.
Edited by Forenperser on Feb 1st 2020 at 10:56:30 AM
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianExcept here, it's listed in "Other Earths". Plus it's not like, say, Constantine which was retroactively added and which John was a member of the Legends of Tomorrow.
Actually it's on Arrowverse: Earth-90.
And Supergirl previously also wasn't part of Earth-1, yet still listed on the page.
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianIt's fine. You can put it on the page. Flash 2014 does plenty of shotouts to the 1990 show anyway.
Maybe slot it at the bottom since unlike the main three which became a new earth prime (original arrowverse, supergirls earth and black lightings earth) this I think is perma destroyed.
Edited by miraculous on Feb 1st 2020 at 2:02:57 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."So AGAIN Flash has to be removed from Live Action TVA To L, after just requesting it yesterday? Huh.
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Yes, yes it would be
Though I don't mind it too much; blame my Super OCD or Asperger Syndrome
Edited by ACW on Feb 1st 2020 at 5:30:19 AM
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
I wish I could help, ACW. Alas, I am not enough of a DC fanboy to be able to know where everything should go.
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Cossack (do we have any actual cossacks as C Ms?) and Duvic (as well as the merlot rewrite)
Edited by nwotyzal on Feb 1st 2020 at 3:52:51 AM
The rest of the quote, started on Page 8012
goes as follows:
Edited by k410ren on Feb 1st 2020 at 8:17:39 AM
"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills

I mean if its that's obvious that he's hitler and WOG confirms. I'm not sure we need to say it's just implied and could just use his name.
Edited by miraculous on Feb 1st 2020 at 1:17:47 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."