During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
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Final Verdict?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Acw could you pleas start the arrowverse revamp. I'll tell you how I'd make it.
We also need to ask on Ask The Tropers since titanverse isn't a thing so the entries their will need to be separated.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Oddly, The Flash (1990) is listed in "Other Earths", so that quartet may have to go, while Black Lightning IS part of the verse.
A better header wouldn't be bad either.
Yes to Engel, Xu, and the Piper.
What's the work?
Travelogue of the Succubus is a manga by Junji Ito about a reporter named Tsuchiyado Wataru who becomes interested in a woman named Byakuya Kyouko, who mysteriously survived a volcanic eruption a year ago and gained clairvoyance. Along the way, he gets caught up in a cult known as Indigo Shadow's plan to unravel the secrets of the universe in the process. My candidate is the leader of Indigo Shadow, Aido Kagerou.
Who is he? What does he do?
In his first appearance, Aido and the rest of Indigo Shadow kidnap Tsuchiyado and Byakuya, take them to a tent, and tie Byakuya to a cross. Aido introduces himself to Tsuchiyado and explains that he believes that God told him to use Byakuya as a medium to meditate through in order to access the Akashic Records, which is a library of every bit of information in the universe. Byakuya warns Aido of the consequences, but Aido ignores her and orders all of his followers to meditate in order to conjure up the Akashic Records. In the process, his followers are killed by energy he summons up that becomes fire as well as part of the Akashic Records in the form of a black cloud crushing them.
In his next appearance, Aido is revealed to have survived, albeit with his face burnt off, and he does not care about his followers' deaths (he has new followers now), saying that he believes that the "God of the Dark Beyond" saved only him in order to give him a special power that allows him to sense where the Akashic Records are. However, he still needs Byakuya to complete his ritual, and because every person who has met her has had gained a trace of her powers as well, he has them all kidnapped and dragged out to perform the ritual. The ritual involves Aido's followers meditating, as with the last time, but this time, the people Byakuya met are painfully injected with jet-black hair and eventually killed while Aido's followers are driven insane. However, his followers are not able to find Byakuya, as she and Tsuchiyado have traveled back in time to the Edo period
.
It turns out that Aido has also traveled back in time, and he has a Christian missionary named Miguel and his followers, along with Byakuya, kidnapped and taken to the same volcano that erupted a year before the story, forcing them all to carry crucifixes. At the volcano, Aido has them all lined up around the volcano's edge, planning to kill all of them by having them kicked inside the volcano. After a few of Miguel's followers are kicked inside, Aido tells him that he plans on killing Byakuya in order to obtain her clairvoyance and become God. Byakuya, furious at Aido, unleashes her full power, killing him.
Heinous standard?
Only villain in-story, and I'd say sacrificing countless innocent people and trying to kill Miguel and his followers passes the baseline.
Mitigating qualities? Freudian Excuse?
None; he's portrayed as nothing more than a fanatical cultist with a god complex.
Conclusion?
I'd say keeper.
Engel, Xu, the Piper, and Aido.
Edited by Critica7 on Jan 30th 2020 at 8:41:35 AM
Check out my current fanfiction project.It seems Bastard Boyfriend is more specific than I thought. Does it work for these?
- Umareru Kachi no Nakatta Jibun ga Anna no Tame ni Dekiru Ikutsuka no Koto: Kazuya Mukai is a frustrated mangaka envious of the happiness of his two childhood friends, Anna Yasuda and Kyota Kosugi. Reincarnating in the body of his pre-teen self, Kazuya tries to improve his life only to be disappointed, which makes him act according to his desires. Accidentally causing the death of his bully, Shinya, Kazuya is initially horrified, but then laughs and celebrates his death, gloating to Shinya's crush Ikumi Kujou before deciding to force himself onto her. A Bastard Boyfriend to Ikumi, Kazuya uses her only to have sex before turning her into his accomplice in his eventual attempts to rape Anna, something which Kazuya sees as inspiring. Failing in his first attempt thanks to the efforts of the mysterious Izuru Tonagai, Kazuya later rapes Anna's friend Satsuki after she switched beds with her, driving Satsuki to suicide. Failing to kill Izuru with Ikumi's help, a frustrated Kazuya beats Ikumi to death, calling her worthless. Once he discovers that Izuru is actually his daughter from a timeline where he succeeded in raping Anna, Kazuya mocks her. A Serial Rapist using the body of a preteen boy to harm everyone that he wants, Kazuya promises to continue trying to rape Anna in his next reincarnation.
- Batman (1989): The Joker, real name Jack Napier, is an insane, sadistic criminal. Murdering the young Bruce Wayne's parents, Jack is only stopped from killing the boy himself when his partner warns him the cops are approaching. After being transformed into the Joker, Jack goes on to kill the mob boss who betrayed him, before killing the other Mafia higher ups to take over the Gotham syndicate. Using Smylex mixed in with everyday products, Jack causes a string of deaths of unsuspecting innocents. Jack also abuses his girlfriend, Alicia Hunt, disfiguring and eventually killing her, before trying to seduce Vicki Vale immediately after her death. Taking advantage of Gotham's 200th anniversary parade, Jack tries to gas the gathered civilians with Smylex to amuse himself and takes out his frustration over Batman stopping his plans by killing his loyal second-in-command.
- In the power vacuum left behind in the wake of Norman Osborn's death, the enigmatic, aforementioned Crime Master handily takes his place as New York's most fearsome criminal. Far crueler and more brutal than Norman was, Crime Master, real name Sammy, is introduced by having his hulking lackey Sandman kill a mobster who insulted him by crushing his head like a grape. A violent psychopath of the highest order, Crime Master is quick to make an example of people who cross him, such as cutting out the tongue of a stool pigeon who snitched on him and dumping his body on the streets, filling a movie theater with the corpses of his rivals, and torturing his girlfriend Felicia Hardy with a shard of glass for affiliating with Spider-Man. Crime Master also assists the aforementioned Otto Octavius in his heinous experiments by supplying him with innocent black victims he kidnaps off the streets, and when the feds start to close in on them, he heartlessly tries to have them all burnt alive, referring to them as "livestock".
I have my doubts, especially about the last 2. If they're not accurate, we can just switch them to Domestic Abuse.
Xu,
Piper,
Aido
This is my first time back here in a long while, and I come bearing news: the Black 2 and White 2 Chapter of Pokémon Adventures is officially, FINALLY ending next month, so Manga!Ghetsis' arc will be over by two weeks into March! I'll give the update when that time comes, but right now, the chances of him going anywhere from the trope we prematurely put him on are slim to none. He's ending his arc in pretty much the exact way I'd predicted he would.
Edited by ANewMan on Jan 30th 2020 at 9:21:11 AM
@Mir Kyouko got her powers after visiting a village, which was supposed to have been destroyed by an eruption 60 years before the events of the story, and the ending heavily implies that Aido is the Dark God of the Beyond. Edo!Aido's face is identical to the Eldritch Abomination and he was seemingly banished to outer space, Present!Aido ended up worshipping himself.
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
Aido. Wow, a Junji Ito CM. Never thought I would see another one. (And the first male CM from him too, which makes him a nice contrast with Tomie, the Fortune Teller, and Shinobu Uchimiya.)
Pretty sure Bastard Boyfriend is supposed to be sexy, hence the redirect names Abusively Sexy Man and Abusively Sexy Bastard. Christian Grey, for example. Kazuya is a flat-out loser, while Joker and Crime Master are meant to be straight-up bastards. So it is misuse, please replace Bastard Boyfriend potholes with Domestic Abuse.
Edited by MasterN on Jan 30th 2020 at 9:41:58 AM
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.

For the Piper, we got this one; Malcolm; King Rat; Peter & Max; this one (though I don't know if it's THE Piper); Sleepy Hollow one (ditto).
So that's 4, plus 2 based on it. I think.