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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#200026: Jan 28th 2020 at 8:35:56 PM

[tup]Ultraviolet trio.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
randomtroper89 from The Fire Nation Since: Nov, 2010
#200027: Jan 28th 2020 at 9:00:56 PM

Hey guys, I just began an anime crossover trilogy. The first chapter is here.

I will include the CMs from canon, and maybe some more. If anyone wants to volunteer, please PM me.

Edited by randomtroper89 on Jan 28th 2020 at 11:01:13 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#200028: Jan 29th 2020 at 1:34:47 AM

Tyk, it seems like that show's heinous standard is more CSI than Criminal Minds.

Yes to the trio (I may've already given a yes to the first one).

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Klavice (Elder Troper)
#200030: Jan 29th 2020 at 2:40:13 AM

Yes to the Ultraviolet trio a d my condolences go to you and your family, Mimic.

[down] Take care, Bullman.

Edited by Klavice on Jan 29th 2020 at 7:18:18 AM

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#200031: Jan 29th 2020 at 4:13:14 AM

[tup] to Krzysztof “Elias” Górski, Limbo and Lukasz “Hycel” Rolak.

k410ren Since: Jan, 2016
#200032: Jan 29th 2020 at 4:46:14 AM

Found and deleted this off the ‘’A Song of Ice and Fire’’ fanfic ‘’Ghosts and Dreams’’.

  • Complete Monster:
    • In addition to everything Aerys Targaryen did in life, he learned nothing in death and tried to kill his grandsons and rape Rhaella once more.
    • Historically Maegor the Cruel is this. However, surprisingly, unlike Aerys he has not returned to bother his brother's descendants, which could be either due to remorse or just pragmatism, since the Stark ghosts will not hesitate to protect the boys.

"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills
captainmarkle Limited Patients from Behind you Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#200033: Jan 29th 2020 at 5:10:28 AM

[up] could be interesting for an EP. I might give that a read this weekend when I've got more time.

[tup] the Ultraviolet trio.

Belated happy 8k pages, all. May there be more horrendous characters for us to catalogue for years to come... Or until we somehow break the post limit.

Trans rights are human rights. If you don't think that, please leave.
falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#200035: Jan 29th 2020 at 5:28:58 AM

Hey guys I'm going to take a break from the thread for couple of days. Last night I had one my worse panic attacks in years and my girlfriend convinced me to take a trip to relax.

Edited by Bullman on Jan 29th 2020 at 7:29:20 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#200036: Jan 29th 2020 at 5:43:36 AM

Sorry to hear that Bullman, I hope you enjoy the trip.

SkyCat32 (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#200037: Jan 29th 2020 at 6:07:11 AM

Feel better, Bullman.

Looking forward to your effortpost, Cap’n.

[down][down][down] As long as you generally stay on topic, you should be fine. You could edit your post next time, though.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Jan 29th 2020 at 9:48:05 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#200038: Jan 29th 2020 at 6:13:25 AM

Feel better Bullman. Take all the time you need.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#200039: Jan 29th 2020 at 6:14:11 AM

[tup] Elias, Limbo, and Hycel.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
captainmarkle Limited Patients from Behind you Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#200040: Jan 29th 2020 at 6:46:35 AM

(hope I'm not breaking rules by posting at this frequency, but get well soon Bullman.)

Trans rights are human rights. If you don't think that, please leave.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#200042: Jan 29th 2020 at 7:10:03 AM

Take care Bullman. Wish you luck.

Whatever happened with an image and header for Mega Man page?

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#200043: Jan 29th 2020 at 7:12:31 AM

I requested the change for the header; they've just not gotten to it yet.

The image needs to go through Image Pickin'.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#200044: Jan 29th 2020 at 7:15:30 AM

You can start an image pickin thread for it.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#200045: Jan 29th 2020 at 7:40:33 AM

So this weekend, I hope to have at least one, possibly 2, maybe 3 Earth-616 candidates.

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#200046: Jan 29th 2020 at 7:50:33 AM

Hope things go better for you, Bullman

LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#200047: Jan 29th 2020 at 9:38:05 AM

Hope things get better Bullman. Take all the time you need

GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere. Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
#200048: Jan 29th 2020 at 9:57:01 AM

Take care Bullman. Take all the time you need.

J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#200049: Jan 29th 2020 at 11:00:11 AM

Condolences to Mimic, and take care Bullman, hope you both will be ok.

Also, I see no one had reserved Dragon Ball Z Kakarot yet, nobody minds if I reserve it right?

Edited by Michealthehero21 on Jan 29th 2020 at 11:03:42 AM


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