During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
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Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Yeah, I think for the TV entry I'll do like:
- Dr. Martin Brenner note ,...
And for the Other Media Page
- Stranger Things franchise note : Dr. Martin Brenner...
Edited by ACW on Jan 28th 2020 at 8:13:06 AM
Anti Monitor
Now then here’s my second Ultraviolet candidate “Limbo”.
Who Is She? What Has She Done?
Limbo, from the episode “#limbo” is a nurse who also happens to run a site on the dark web where she posts videos of people killing themselves in particularly gruesome manners.
She would usually finds these kinds of people on the internet where she brings them to a location, usually a pair of a boy and girl, and would exploit their depressed state to manipulate them into killing themselves in horrific fashions while she records them committing suicide and post hers videos on the dark web for everyone to see.
Currently her onscreen people that Limbo has manipulated into committing suicide include one pair drowning at a lake, another pair shooting themselves, another one hanging themselves, and another pair injecting themselves with drugs already claiming the lives of eight people.
She would later try to manipulate another pair into burning themselves alive while she video them doing so. However they decide to not kill themselves and back out from doing the deed which causes Limbo to try and burn them alive themselves. Luckily the pair are saved by Ola Serafin, who later has the police arrest Limbo for her crimes.
Freudian Excuse? Redeeming Qualities?
Now Limbo tells her victims to commit suicide on the pretense that living is nothing but pain and hardship. However this is merely just Limbo manipulating them to kill themselves.
Her real reason for committing these mass suicides is purely for entertainment value posting those videos on the dark web for sickos to watch out of enjoyment while Limbo would profit from these videos even taking joy watching them herself.
Also Limbo herself never shows any concern nor remorse for her victim, even trying to kill them herself should the suicide attempts fail, like trying to burn the pair alive when they decide not to go through and injecting another pair with lethal drug when the previous injection failed to kill them. So yeah no redeeming qualities nor justifiable excuses here
Heinousness
Compared to some of the other murders on this show, Limbo stands out as one of the most uniquely cruel. Her MO consists of exploiting depressed and broken people into killing themselves in brutal manners all for her entertainment value already claim a body count of 8 people (10 if she succeeded in killing the last pair) which is a pretty high body count in terms of this show.
In fact, I think the only person that has exceeded her body count would be my final candidate, but even so the way she has her victims commit suicide while posting them online makes her stand out.
Final Verdict?
I’ll leave that to you guys
My sandbox of EPs and other stuffYes to Krzysztof “Elias” Górski, Mobius the Anti-Monitor and Limbo.
Edited by GeorgieEnkoom on Jan 28th 2020 at 2:41:01 PM
J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)I'm a bit more iffy on Limbo given how the heinous standard can be for these kind of shows. Nevertheless, this seems like another quality over quantity villains, so
for her.
Now then here’s my third and final Ultraviolet candidate. Appearing in the Season 1 two-parter finale “#hycel” and “#strangeland” here’s Lukasz “Hycel” Rolak
Who Is He? What Has He Done?
Lukasz Rolak is the infamous Serial Killer, Hycel, who in the 90s had kidnapped numerous men and boys, raped them for days, then have them run around in a forest completely naked as he hunts them down before killing him by decapitating their heads and putting said head right below their genitals.
Having done this for years Rolak has killed plenty of men and boys claimed body count with only one ever escaping to which Rolak decides to frame an innocent man, Zenon Nowak, for all his depraved murders forcing Nowak to spend over 20 years while Rolak gets away with murdering numerous people and framing an innocent man.
When Rolak learns that the Ultraviolet group proved Rolak’s innocence by discovering more of Rolak’s victims he kept hidden underneath his house, Rolak decides to go on a killing spree once more using his same deplorable MO all in an to frame Novak once more.
However, Ola Serafin would learn that Rolak is the serial killer Hycel, to which Rolak tries to kill her by slicing her throat. However, Ola is saved by Police Officer Michał Holender, who Rolak proceeds to stab before Ola shoots Rolak, killing Rolak and saving Michal.
Freudian Excuse? Redeeming Qualities?
Now the profilers theorized that “Hycel” suffered a traumatic experience that led him to become a raping sadistic serial killer. When Rolak is exposed as Hycel, Rolak admits to having witnessed a rape but instead of being traumatized by it he was fascinated by, similar to William Lewis from SVU, and enjoyed the gratification and power that rapists have over his victims.
He also admits that the true reason behind raping and killing all of those men was that he liked it. Yeah no true sympathetic excuse there. And no he never shows any redeeming qualities nor remorse for all of his atrocities.
Heinousness
I think that having probably the highest body count in the show, and his sadistic MO of raping men and boys before having them run amok naked then cutting off their heads, not to mention framing an innocent man for his crimes causing Novak to spend over 20 years of his life in prison, definitely makes Rolak stand out as among the worst the Ultraviolet group had ever faced.
Final Verdict?
I will leave that to you guys
Edited by G-Editor on Jan 28th 2020 at 4:18:36 AM
My sandbox of EPs and other stuffY THO?
for Lukasz "Hycel" Rolak.
So I have a question I wanna ask. Lack of Empathy seems to be the one trope that every CM seem to have in common. So say that there's an entire species that is incapable of feeling empathy. I know that a entire species can't count as that goes against one of the tropes guidelines, but could an individual member of this species count as an example, or would the fact that they lack compassion because its an inherent trait of there race be a mitigating factor?
Limbo and Hycel.
If the species as a whole lacked empathy, but was capable of moral agency, maybe. Otherwise I'm not sure.
Welcome to the dark side. We have cookies.
Edit: Hmm, Looks like the 200kth poster didn't realize that they had reached a milestone.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Jan 28th 2020 at 9:55:10 AM
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It varies. I know the Goblin Lord was controversial considering all goblins are typically born as sociopaths.
Oh. I guess I did. Yay. -explodes confetti poppers everywhere-
Edited by Tyk5919 on Jan 28th 2020 at 10:00:52 AM
I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.Yes to G's and as someone who disagrees with the Goblin Lord being someone who should have been allowed up, I'm not sure that's the comparison I'd use (not helped by the fact a view point chapter from a Goblin indicates their thought process to be "Rape! Kill! Rape-kill!") and the Goblin Lord just happens to be smarter than most of his Always Chaotic Evil race.
For something I'm more comfortable with we've got the likes of Lord Bayon from The Promised Neverland who while coming from a race of child-eating monsters, crosses lines most of them won't and displays zero admirable qualities when others in his race indicate demons are at least capable of caring for one-another.

Yes to Elias.
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