During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
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It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
TBH, it's only his final moments that give me pause...I think you made good arguments, but it's hard for me to see it as just trying to salvage dignity.
Vizsla is treacherous and underhanded, but when pressed and challenged by Maul, he does adhere to honorable combat, while Obi-wan notably isn't a Mandalorian and they're not on Mandalore. I just think he has too little reason to truly adhere to the code unless he truly buys into it before Maul takes his head.
Yeah, I think with Obi-Wan and Ahsoka it's a little different, as he and his kind hate the Jedi due to their history.
Maul on the other hand he sees as a Worthy Opponent.
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianThough I ultimately disagree with Vizsla having honor/Worthy Opponent standards, I understand the thought process behind it and will simply say I appreciate everyone's input and for allowing the relitigation to take place given the newer arguments I had.
Edited by AgeOfTropeEmpire on Jan 28th 2020 at 12:33:17 PM
Why would anyone have to go? The Anti-Monitor is basically the highest tier you can get in this verse. Every other villain is basically ants compared to him.
Edited by Bullman on Jan 28th 2020 at 2:42:09 PM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadACW: I am sorry if that came off as rude. I didn't mean for it to. I'm just not having a good day.
Edited by Bullman on Jan 28th 2020 at 3:09:50 AM
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I AM old
At 36, I think I'm wonder of the oldest ones here.
Edited by ACW on Jan 28th 2020 at 4:14:09 AM
Personally the reason I disagree with the thing against Viszla is the stuff mentioned age mentioned, about Maul specifically challenging him in front of his men, and Viszla looking at said men before actually accepting the challenge. Notheless it's still a fair argument too make.
Things are really about to get Fun around hereMy thought process isn't that he was worried they would rebel, it's that they would see him as weak. There would be a difference between fighting Kenobi and ordering his soldiers to interfere, and straight up denying Maul a challenge to combat in front of his men and looking cowardly. Maul issued an official Mandalorian-style challenge to Vizsla, and Vizsla's explicit hesitation to accept, along with being shown to be a dirty fighter in settings where it wouldn't humiliate him to do so, are what makes me personally say Vizsla would not have been so Graceful Loser or even accepted Maul's challenge if his men were not all watching. The fact that Maul outright says "Vizsla is a soldier, and like all soldiers, he is bound by honor. I will challenge him in front of his men. He will not deny me." would imply to me that even Maul realizes Vizsla values how he appears before his men more than any sort of standard.

Hm, now that you put it that way, I'll
Mobius. Flat, boring character for sure, but just enough there.
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