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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#199726: Jan 26th 2020 at 7:33:07 PM

TBH, if there's sufficient wiggle room for people to interpret Viszla's final moments in a different light, I think an effortpost is warranted. It's been years since the initial verdict and while I don't think I'd support him I would encourage discussion.

Speaking of relitigation, one dude in Elder Scrolls is still bugging me. One that (again) I turned down for the longest time. From the Dawnguard DLC for Skyrim, I'd like to bring up Lord Harkon again.

Who is Harkon? What has he done?

The nastiest Vampire Monarch in Skyrim, Harkon is a powerful pure-blooded vampire and the ruler of Clan Volkihar. An ancient and vicious elitist among his kind who looks down upon anything less than a pure-blooded vampire, Harkon is also a vicious proponent of Molag Bal—the nastiest of the resident Daedric Princes—and he boasts that he attained his power via the sacrifice of a thousand innocents in Molag Bal's name.

Harkon also has a family, which is bad news when you're wed to a wicked sociopath of a vampire. Harkon forcibly turned over his own daughter, Serana, to "King of Rape" Molag Bal for a degrading and violating ritual that resulted in her (alongside himself and his wife) becoming vampires. Harkon, from there, has built a legacy of slaughter, killing innocents throughout the ages and deigning even to snuff out the sun and plunge the entire world of Nirn into eternal darkness, allowing vampires to overrun and conquer the mortal races. To do this, Harkon attempted to fulfill a dark prophecy to darken the sun, and to this end tried to sacrifice Serana's life to fuel the ritual. Valerica, finally sick of Harkon's lunacy (Harkon, for starters, is too arrogant to consider uniting all of Tamriel's races against the vampires in a world of endless night might be suicide for all vampirekind), took away Serana and locked her away where Harkon couldn't find her.

When the Dragonborn walks into Castle Volkihar's chambers to deliver Serana (and the Elder Scroll she's carrying), they see the usual feeding habits of Volkihar: Harkon and his court make a recurrent practice of capturing and enslaving innocents literally marked as cattle. Vampires gruesomely feed on still-living, groaning victims in full view, and others are forced to serve Volkihar as faded shells of themselves, tortuously fed upon until the moment they're spent and are inevitably replaced with new victims. Harkon shows all his familial love to his daughter upon seeing her for the first time in thousands of years ("Serana, you've returned to me at least! I trust you have my Elder Scroll?") and gleefully waxes on what he'd do to Serana's mother if he had her in his clutches.

Harkon offers to make the Dragonborn a pure-blooded vampire. Accept, and the Volkihar questline is unlocked, which involves Harkon sending you to cull other "lesser" vampires (a regular practice of Volkihar as well) that Harkon wishes to see destroyed utterly. Decline him to ally with the Dawnguard, the faction of vampire-hunters Harkon seeks to destroy, and Harkon banishes you with full intent of shedding blood the next time he meets the Dragonborn. Harkon's sun-snuffing aspirations and his clear lack of regard for anyone outside himself finally catch up with him and, regardless of whether you've allied yourself to him or not, Harkon becomes the Final Boss, and is killed by the Dragonborn and his own daughter.

Any mitigating factors?

Okay, I don't think Harkon himself has any redeeming qualities. There were occasional worries about a few of Harkon's lines where he proclaims (albeit very arrogantly) his actions as being just for all vampirekind. Valerica deconstructs the logic of Harkon's plan hard and the game never presents his plan in any well-intentioned light even if you side with him. Harkon himself is so elitist, so consistently narcissistic and so repeatedly demonstrates his lack of concern for anyone outside himself and his mad designs for power that I find it hard to put any stock of credence that he truly sees himself as a Well-Intentioned Extremist, let alone to a degree that would mitigate him.

The reason I've hesitated so long is the heinous standard. We've been letting more and more candidates into the series to the point the franchise now has its own page (the only two who had been on and stayed on from the start are Mannimarco and Mankar Camaron, and they are IMO the most inarguable qualifiers in the series). What I don't want to underplay is the standard itself. Harkon's rapsheet is impressive, but one of his most significant crimes on paper—the sacrifice of a thousand innocents—is complete Offscreen Villainy, and while his plan (as well as the ramifications of it, intentional or not) are nasty, how nasty is it for the franchise standard?

For Skyrim itself, I'd say Harkon is arguably—considering both the game itself and its DLC—the second most heinous character in the game bar literal Physical God Alduin. He's responsible for the agonizing, regular murder of innocents to a worse degree than almost any other vampire in the series; the attempted destruction of the sun itself; and turning over his own daughter to be raped by a Daedric Prince before attempting to sacrifice her life to rein in his world of darkness. Technically they never outright say Serana was raped, but the clear reference to the "degrading ritual" (which Valerica, if asked if Serana willingly took part in, very conspicuously dodges the question) that is clarified in-game at other points to involve Molag Bal raping the individual to bestow upon them vampirism, as was done with the first vampire. While it's ambiguous if Valerica herself was willing or unwilling, the dots concerning Serana are as easy to connect as ABC and the game isn't pretending otherwise. Harkon is probably the single worst vampire in the franchise and definitely the worst abusive parent.

The other major villains in the franchise in Harkon's line are a bigger problem. Fellow DLC villain Miraak is significantly stronger than Harkon but falls much shorter on the standard, and obviously the first Big Bad Jagar Tharn has been left so far in the dust it's hilarious, but others? Mankar Camaron practices And I Must Scream as an art form, has entire cities annihilated and tries to turn Nirn into Mehrunes Dagon's hellscape; Mannimarco enslaves the souls of innocents, slaughters countless innocents over petty grudges, and tries to fuse Nirn with Molag Bal's domain; Vuhon runs a floating island that can only be empowered by mass death; there are nutbag extremists and racists across the Aldmeri Dominion who make Harkon's brand of Fantastic Racism seem tame; and even the random Arc Villain Ancano tries to annihilate the universe. Entire species such as the Dwemer are responsible for the atrocious enslavement and degradation of entire species like the Falmer.

Does Harkon stick out? I don't have a conclusive answer for that. I'm outlining the standard to give everyone a clear view and a chance to vote. Points I will offer in his favor include the fact that rape is a pretty damn rare crime in Elder Scrolls; having your daughter raped by Molag Bal is a one-of-a-kind crime that may just push Harkon up to sit up with the franchise's worst-of-the-worst. The rest of his crimes are extra flavoring, but I'm still not sure if they push him the rest of the way.

Conclusion?

Harkon is one of the toughest I've ever had to consider. I thought he was an easy "no" for years, and as we've changed our stance a bit on Elder Scrolls and particularly Skyrim, I've wondered if maybe I've been a bit too harsh with him.

Harkon isn't an open-and-shut case like a lot of the other minor villains for one reason; he's a Big Bad. He's working with plenty of resources—albeit he shouldn't need to be compared to, say, Alduin, Dagoth Ur, or any of the Daedric Princes—and he's obviously nastier than the majority of the franchise's villains, but that leaves him in competition with the people who we've already litigated. If he goes the full mile? I leave it to you.

Edited by Scraggle on Jan 26th 2020 at 8:41:23 AM

SkyCat32 (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#199727: Jan 26th 2020 at 7:39:19 PM

[tup] Wolkins.

Abstain on Harkin.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Jan 26th 2020 at 10:41:22 AM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#199728: Jan 26th 2020 at 7:42:41 PM

I'd say yes to Harkon for the stuff wiht his family

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
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#199729: Jan 26th 2020 at 7:59:47 PM

Abstain on Harkon, i think the standard is just too high

[tdown] to the Calamity image, I don't think the destruction beyond "generic explosions" is immediate enough

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
DelphineTheDelphox I thought sharks were my friends. from The Alola Region Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
I thought sharks were my friends.
#199731: Jan 26th 2020 at 8:18:52 PM

The only issue I have with Harkon is the fact that he spares the Dragonborn if they reject his gift. Yes, he says the Dragonborn is prey and won't hesitate to kill them the next time they meet, but the fact that he's willing to let you leave with no string attached has me pretty conflicted on his sense of honor.

RIP KissAnime.
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#199732: Jan 26th 2020 at 8:21:52 PM

What completely offsets that for me is Harkon notes afterward not everyone survives the transformation process into a pure-blooded vampire to begin with and the Dragonborn surprised him in bearing his blood. Of everything I admit that concerns me about Harkon, that tidbit isn't one of them.

Edited by Scraggle on Jan 26th 2020 at 9:22:50 AM

DelphineTheDelphox I thought sharks were my friends. from The Alola Region Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
I thought sharks were my friends.
#199733: Jan 26th 2020 at 8:25:15 PM

Mm. I think it's safe to just abstain. If this were a standalone story, Harkon would easily meet the base heinous standard, but here... I'm tapping out.

RIP KissAnime.
Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#199734: Jan 26th 2020 at 8:28:08 PM

Mmm...you know what [tup] to Harkon

Things are really about to get Fun around here
LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#199735: Jan 26th 2020 at 10:42:09 PM
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SkyCat32 (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#199736: Jan 26th 2020 at 10:46:22 PM

[up] When is the discussion date? Has the arc ended?

If it hasn’t arrived, I'm not sure the thread wants it to be discussed yet.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Jan 26th 2020 at 1:48:52 PM

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#199737: Jan 26th 2020 at 10:49:04 PM

Unsure on Harkon. Yes to second Pumpkin Scissors guy.

Alright, now... I have qualms about these ones, but I am gonna go ahead. A while back, we discussed Riddle School and deemed Diz a non-keeper due to heinousness issues. Now, before you get out your Torches and Pitchforks for bringing this up again, I just want to give an argument.

But first? I wanna propose another character from the same work, and the reason Diz was downvoted.

What's the work?

Riddle School is a series of point-and-click adventure games where you play as Phil Eggtree. The first three games simply have you escape from school, while the fourth serves as both an Unwinnable Joke Game and a Wham Episode. From there, the last three games feature a Genre Shift as Phil must stop an alien plot to destroy Earth.

So, Viz was considered by some a non-keeper due to being a Well-Intentioned Extremist.

But honestly? I think the notion of him being a WIE is BS.

Who are Viz and Diz? What do they do?

The leader of his race, Viz created 'Project Vizion', his name for the program in which he would decide the fate of the universe, one planet at a time. He starts with Earth. Creating Area 5.1 as his facility for studying Earth, he has his subordinates kidnap several cryptids (or expies of them- instead of Bigfoot, they capture Bigtoe, etc) and hold them in the facility in dreadful conditions, while studying humans and eventually concluding that Humans Are Bastards who deserve destruction. Nobody was really in agreement with his plan according to Diz, but everyone was under his rule. Viz, wanting to wipe out the planet but seeking an excuse to legitimize this decision, puts a time-stopping device in front of a school. When Phil skips school and stops on it, he uses Phil's truancy as the excuse to implement his Final Solution.

So he orders Phil and three of his friends kidnapped, then traps them in a Lotus-Eater Machine while he and Diz study them. Then he plans to harness the perpetually cold Zack's genes to use him as a Freeze Ray and freeze the Earth- because, in his mind, 'evildoers deserve a taste of their own evil', so using human DNA to power their Doomsday Device will be killing humanity with itself. When Phil finally makes it to him, he taunts the boy by inviting him to see the destruction of his own home, before escaping to his own ship so he can watch humanity's destruction.

Diz, meanwhile, was originally The Dragon to Viz, but was also The Starscream who wanted to control Project Vizion for himself. To this end, he helps Viz with all his crimes, from the establishment of Area 5.1 to kidnapping the kids, then betrays Viz and behaves as a mentor to Phil. Later, he and the kids are kidnapped by Area 5.1 agents. Eventually, Phil is able to rescue him from Area 5.1- only for the alarm to go off, at which point Diz abandons Phil and his friends to die and flees the station himself. With the Vizion ship and its Freeze Ray in his hands, he finally has the means to carry out his desire; to destroy planets for his own sadistic pleasure, without Viz getting in the way.

Heinousness?

As the first real Big Bad of the series, he sets it. The only competition is Diz, who I will bring up later, but they are about equal in heinousness. As for baseline, he capture innocent cryptids and four children, uses one of them to power a Doomsday Device, and plots to freeze the Earth and wipe out humanity with great glee. Diz does everything Viz does, in addition to betraying him, so equal in heinousness.

There is also Quiz, the third Vizion leader, but while he (initially) supports their efforts, it is indicated that he has little real power over Project Vizion in the scheme of things, as Viz considers him useless. The worst thing Quiz personally does is capture and try to kill the heroes and take over a school- basic villainy. So Quiz does not really contribute to the standard. And he does a Heel–Face Turn in the end.

Mitigating Qualities?

So, earlier I brought up the fact that some consider Viz a Well-Intentioned Extremist, as he wants to eradicate all evil in the universe. However, in-universe he isn't really portrayed as a WIE- he is much more of a sadistic Knight Templar who thinks he is a hero only because he has deluded himself into thinking so. Both Phil, The Hero, and Diz, no saint himself, refer to Viz as a dictator and a madman, expressing no sympathy for his views. Hell, you would have to have a pretty warped sense of heroism and morality if you think that destroying the planet because one kid skipped school is heroic.

Speaking of, a semi-fan-made (made by an artist who worked on the games) remake of the first game that was given the Ascended Fanon treatment (ie, canonized) has The Stinger in which Diz informs Viz that the device has been set off. Viz's reaction? Not rage at humanity, an insinuation that he was right, or anything like that- instead, he says 'Excellent. Activate Project Vizion.' or something among those lines. The implication is that he already was going to destroy humanity, and Phil's truancy was nothing more than a thin excuse for Viz to give his bloodthirstyness some level of legitimacy.

In short, Viz has 'good intentions' in the same way that Light Yagami and Claude Frollo do; that is, he is nothing more than a self-righteous megalomaniac playing at being a good man, very badly. He is the second variant of Not-So-Well-Intentioned Extremist (the 'warped standards' type).

As for Diz, none. He and Viz are both lunatics who want to destroy planets to satisfy their extreme sadism and desire for destruction, the only difference being that Diz is not self-righteous about it. Knight Templar vs Card-Carrying Villain, basically, and both are evil at heart. Diz only pretends to be nice to Phil and friends, but when he is revealed as a Treacherous Advisor, that goes away.

Verdict?

With this in mind, I think Viz and Diz are worth at least a re-examination. Viz especially, since he was never proposed unlike Diz, and his WIE qualities just are not genuine.

Edited by MasterN on Jan 26th 2020 at 10:49:37 AM

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
SkyCat32 (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#199738: Jan 26th 2020 at 10:51:01 PM

[tup] Actually, abstain on Viz.

[down] Check the dates.

[down][down][tup] Black Shadow.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Jan 26th 2020 at 2:08:04 PM

LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#199739: Jan 26th 2020 at 10:53:37 PM

[up][up][up]Series Finale is March 2nd. I'm asking if anyone has it lined up? From what I've seen they may well qualify but we won't know until the finale

Edited by LordYAM on Jan 26th 2020 at 10:54:31 AM

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#199740: Jan 26th 2020 at 10:55:02 PM

Haven't we discussed the Riddle School candidates repeatedly? Haven't we said no each time? This is at least the third time.

Now for a candidate that is a close-and-shut case, one I've been waiting to do a while!

What's the setting?

F-Zero: Legend of Falcon is the 51-episode anime adaptation of the F-Zero series we all know and love. Controversial among the fanbase due to the various ways the series plays fast-and-loose with continuity (some baffling cases of Adaptational Villainy, for starters) but an indisputably fun series with a lot of heart put into it. Our premise features Ryu Suzaku, a time-displaced cop who awakens one-hundred-and-fifty years in the future after a tangle with a criminal named Zoda lands him in cryosleep. Ryu joins the Mobile Task Force, the police in a universe where F-Zero races are absolutely everything, learning by the side of his mysterious mentor Captain Falcon. Our villain is BURACKU SHADU—ahem Black Shadow.

Who is Black Shadow? What has he done?

Voiced deliciously by Norio Wakamoto (and the show exploits this for all its worth by having Black Shadow call in subordinates literally just so he can do a Evil Laugh—there is an episode called "Black Shadow Laughs" filled with nothing but Norio's hammy laughter) Black Shadow is the wicked leader of Dark Million, a shadowy and nebulous evil organizations with ties to everything to arms trafficking to the F-Zero committee itself. Black Shadow is mostly Orcus on His Throne through the rest of the series, guiding Dark Million in its nefarious schemes and watching afar with a nightmarish smile on his face, but the true depths of just how deeply Black Shadow has his claws into things only becomes clear over time.

Black Shadow has a pair of Co-Dragons consisting of Zoda, a wannabe Starscream and the punk criminal who wounded Ryu one-hundred-and-fifty years ago in the first place; and Miss Killer, a ruthless and mysterious assassin. Black Shadow guides them in various chaotic plots, many of which involve hunting for the Reactor Mights, six powerful artifacts capable of granting insane amounts of power, be it to F-Zero machines or people themselves. Black Shadow—alongside numerous instances where he sets Zoda on fire, throws him into a black hole or otherwise abuses him for his failure—at one point painfully fuses Zoda with a Reactor Might, empowering him into an abomination Black Shadow unleashes to annihilate all of Mute City.

Miss Killer is Black Shadow's other wicked success story. Miss Killer is actually Haruka, Ryu's girlfriend from the past. Black Shadow had her abducted and her memories erased, brainwashing her to be his pet assassin to ultimately kill her boyfriend—who, as it turns out, is the savior of the universe. When Miss Killer realizes this, Black Shadow sadistically torments over this before turning her to stone, gleefully showing her to Ryu and promising that he'll die alongside her. Oh, and back to Zoda: Black Shadow created him in the first place, sending him into the past and guiding every one of Zoda's homicidal rampages exactly to his own design.

Black Shadow even adopts the identities of Don Genie and Deathborn in this continuity, steadily revealing he has manipulated literally all the misery over fifty episodes for the purpose of his glorious dream: to use the Reactor Mights to empower his Dark Matter Reactor, through which Black Shadow create a black hole to consume the entire universe, annihilating all existence so he may create a new universe of chaos and evil over the ashes of the old. Black Shadow activates his Dark Matter Reactor, throwing the entire galaxy into chaos as the Reactor draws in everything toward it; planets smash into each other, entire cities are ruined and worldwide disasters occur across Earth, all while Black Shadow has his forces wipe out absolutely everyone attempting to mitigate the galaxy-wide crises.

Thankfully, in the end, Ryu overloads the Dark Matter Reactor, and Black Shadow engages in his final destiny to meet with his fated rival, Captain Falcon. In the most glorious death scene ever given to a villain, Captain Falcon sacrifices his life to stop Black Shadow; Black Shadow proclaims his dream shall never die, only for the Captain to Falcon Punch Black Shadow so hard he motherfucking disintegrates. The Reactor blows, envelops Falcon, Black Shadow's glorious dream, and apparently a tenth of the galaxy with them.

Metal.

Any mitigating factors?

Black Shadow is an absolute dedicant of evil and everything related to being a manipulative asshole. He is a man who, clearly, has done his research about being as wicked a villain as he possibly can: he has perfected the art of the Evil Laugh, he has a sinister fortress that puts Barad-dûr to shame, and life's ambition—which every waking moment of his existence is dedicated to—is to blow up the entire universe and create a new one of pure evil.

Does this sound like the description of a man with an inkling of good in him? No, nothing to discuss. No agency issues, no tragic past, nothing. Black Shadow is one of the purest examples I have ever seen from a Nintendo-licensed product, in any form. Aside from Norio Wakamoto's golden performance and his legendary death scene, Black Shadow hasn't a hint of a redeeming quality.

Conclusion?

Keeper. One of the my best for the year goes up early.

Edited by Scraggle on Jan 26th 2020 at 12:09:33 PM

DuelMark Since: Mar, 2011
#199741: Jan 26th 2020 at 11:11:24 PM

Hello, it's been a while since I was on this chat.

This is something I've been curious about on changing.

Instead of an image, quote or a description, but the opening part of the page introducing the viewer to the specific franchise or category of Complete Monsters.

Here's Mega Man's

Complete Monsters from the Mega Man franchise.

I noticed like 99% of the Complete Monster pages have, I guess, more interesting ways of putting it. Is this something that could be changed? If not, sorry to bug. If so, could we change it to something more like this?

Since the original game, there have been several heroes over the years to carry on the name of Mega Man who fight for everlasting peace. From robots, to aliens and evil scientists, these are among the worst that any Mega Man has ever faced.

Also, [tup] to Black Shadow.

Edited by DuelMark on Jan 26th 2020 at 11:12:28 AM

"Sam Manson is a terrible character."
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#199743: Jan 26th 2020 at 11:22:13 PM

[tup]wolkins, harkon and Black Shadow

Ah the f zero anime. Loved that when growing up.

His English actor was Eric Stuart btw. Better known as james in pokemon and seto kaiba in yu gi oh.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#199744: Jan 26th 2020 at 11:25:54 PM

Unfortunately, this wouldn't count toward Stuart's total (provided he has any in the first place) since the dub was never finished.

KingofNightmares Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#199745: Jan 26th 2020 at 11:31:33 PM

[tup] Black Shadow

Yeah, I think we already discussed Riddle School. Don't remember if I took part in that discussion or not though

"It was the best of times, it was the BLURST of times?"
Draxterrus An Eldritch Troper Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
An Eldritch Troper
#199746: Jan 26th 2020 at 11:35:34 PM

@DuelMark We had already came up with a Mega Man header days ago. I feel it is better than the one you’ve suggested and we are about to implement it onto the subpage.

[down] We gave that the same header treatment. Go check that subpage a second time, an updated header is there.

Edited by Draxterrus on Jan 27th 2020 at 3:50:43 AM

Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.
DuelMark Since: Mar, 2011
#199747: Jan 26th 2020 at 11:43:05 PM

Okay, cool to know. What about GI Joe? Last I checked it looked the same as Mega Man.

"Sam Manson is a terrible character."
DelphineTheDelphox I thought sharks were my friends. from The Alola Region Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
I thought sharks were my friends.
#199748: Jan 26th 2020 at 11:44:03 PM

Having watched Jacksepticeye's Let's Play of the Riddle School series, there's no way I can take the villains seriously. Nay.

Yay to Black Shadow.

RIP KissAnime.
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#199750: Jan 27th 2020 at 12:19:54 AM
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