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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#175026: Jul 29th 2019 at 4:26:09 PM

That's the trouble with having done so many over the years...I legit cannot remember the majority of them.

One that's always stuck out, though? Apos.

Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#175027: Jul 29th 2019 at 4:30:41 PM

@IukaSylvie: If you're talking about who I personally got approved, basically everyone from Dragons of Requiem, if only for how batshit over-the-top every villain in that franchise is.

If you're talking about in general? Baron Karza.

Edited by Tyk5919 on Jul 29th 2019 at 7:43:47 AM

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ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#175028: Jul 29th 2019 at 4:31:17 PM

[up][up]Mnemosyne? He sounds...unpleasant.

Also, sex AND gore? I oughtta give this series a shot.

Edited by ACW on Jul 29th 2019 at 7:35:49 AM

TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere. Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
#175030: Jul 29th 2019 at 4:41:53 PM

Sure to the candidates I've missed.

J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#175031: Jul 29th 2019 at 4:47:25 PM

For you, the day Lighty put up Omega Killington the third was the most important day of your life, but for him?

It was a Wednesday.

Yah to Spacek.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#175032: Jul 29th 2019 at 4:47:27 PM

Fun fact: The third incarnation of Karza's actually an MB WIE.

[up] How is there not a character named "Omega Killington"? [lol]

Edited by ACW on Jul 29th 2019 at 7:52:04 AM

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#175033: Jul 29th 2019 at 5:10:42 PM

Stick of depravity?

For the C Ms that I put... I'll use Yuuto and The Scientist from Magmel for my depraved scale. Not the most depraved but certainly the most hatable. Swamp Witch is alright too given the sheer amount of crime she committed

If you want realistically, I'd go with Karza or Bile. But if you also ask me which CM that is another my measurement for depravity: Ellen and Zouken are my another example.

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Jul 29th 2019 at 7:12:47 PM

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#175034: Jul 29th 2019 at 5:11:05 PM

Hey guys. I think I found a good image for Injustice 2!Brainiac from the Injustice 2 comics. Here it is: https://www.google.com/amp/s/comicnewbies.com/2018/07/09/brainiac-tortures-superboy-injustice-ii/amp/

Edited by Michealthehero21 on Jul 29th 2019 at 5:14:09 AM

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#175035: Jul 29th 2019 at 5:17:36 PM

And sure to the candidates I missed again

Need to think on Brainiac image

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
TommyFresh Since: Aug, 2013
#175036: Jul 29th 2019 at 5:29:58 PM

[tup] to the Satan and God, Jack the Ripper, Mengele, and Spacek. Not really sure how I feel about the Brainiac image.

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#175037: Jul 29th 2019 at 5:33:23 PM

[tup] to God and Satan, Jack the Ripper, Mengele and Sissy Spacek. Not sure about the Brainiac image

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#175038: Jul 29th 2019 at 5:46:26 PM

[tup] Mengele

[tup] Jack

[tup] Colonel Spacek

For my "measuring bar" CM?

Quinella and Gabriel from SAO due to them being some of my first ones and also some of the worst I have proposed

Kokoro Obutsuki for relatively realistic villains.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Jul 29th 2019 at 7:47:07 AM

Watch me destroying my country
Stellarvore Since: Apr, 2016
GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere. Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
#175040: Jul 29th 2019 at 5:59:15 PM

I think I've found a nice quote for Ruby from RWBY: Dark:

"As Taiyang stared, he could not even recognize his own daughter. She was different. The glimmer in her silver eyes was haunting and twisted. The look on her face was not one any human should ever have: one of pure, unrestrained… evil."

Another one, from the Warlord, from Echoes:

"Those eyes… eyes were the windows of the soul. Yet, in these, Sasuke found nothing. There wasn't Orochimaru's morbid curiosity, nor Gaara's lust for battle. Those eyes lacked Susanoo's grim determination, or Zetsu's arrogance. There was no soul behind the gaze. They stared through Sasuke instead of at him, as if he was a walking ghost already. Those eyes promised no honorable battle. They promised neither pity nor praise. Those eyes were simply a gaping abyss, a prophecy of a painful, brutal death. Those eyes promised only annihilation. This man, no, this thing was pure, distilled, absolute evil."

And, another quote, this time about Kenta Ayatsuri, from the same fanfic.

Itachi: Ayatsuri Kenta, also known as the Leaf's Devil and the Child Killer. An A-Rank missing-nin of Konohagakure. An expert in medical jutsu, a pioneer in mental manipulation programs, and a former spymaster in Konoha's employ. Was found guilty by Minato Namikaze and Kakashi Hatake of hidden criminal activities and betrayal during the Iwa-Konoha conflict, but fled before he could be arrested. Charged for state betrayal, repeated homicides, the selling of vital information to enemies, attempted murder, torture, medical experiments on minors, blackmail, forced prostitution of minors and crimes against mankind. Bounty, 20 million ryo. Affinity with Lightning and Earth, jonin level-threat. Presumed dead due to lack of activity.

Tsunade: A psychopath of the highest caliber.

And to finish, a quote for my very first CM candidate, André "Moriarty" Belpois, from the Code Lyoko fanfic The Games of Moriarty:

Aelita: Just what are you trying to prove, huh? What is the point of this? These awful games? Are you so evil that it's the only way to feel any joy? You were human once. What happened to you? Has all this time in the supercomputer drained you of your humanity? We could have helped you. Instead you made us your enemies.

Moriarty: Oh you are quite right! What have I DONE! To think I would have stooped so low! Perhaps my grudge against your father clouded my judgment. Oh Aelita, you have reached my human side! …Oh… wait a moment. Oh dear, I'm afraid it just died. What a shame. I was just about to release your father.

Edited by GeorgieEnkoom on Jul 29th 2019 at 3:21:33 PM

J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#175041: Jul 29th 2019 at 6:20:26 PM

The first one seems ok. Other ones seem too long.

Oh, and [tup] Jack the Ripper, Dr. Josef Mengele, Col. Spacek

TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#175043: Jul 29th 2019 at 6:30:14 PM

  • War Dog: Colonel Spacek is the director of the War Dog program and by extension the commander of the War Dogs. Obsessed with creating Super Soldiers, Spacek conscripted several of the soldiers who served under him during The Vietnam War into his project, resulting in dozens of men going missing and then declared KIA by the army. Brainwashing his soldiers with drugs and turning them into mindless killing machines, Spacek unleashes them on a gas station as an "exercise", killing even children. Sending the War Dogs to assassinate those who might expose them, they kill numerous civilians and police officers in their path. When Charles invades Spacek's base to rescue his brother who had been converted into a War Dog, Ricky, Spacek tortures him with hooks and forces Charles to fight with him. Even after his death, Spacek's influence still drove Ricky to slit the throat of a family friend and almost kill his sister-in-law before being gunned down by the police.

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
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#175044: Jul 29th 2019 at 6:35:10 PM

[tup] to the music candidates and Spacek

Personal measuring stick for depravity? I agree with Akio, and Griffith and the A Song of Ice and Fire C Ms are up there

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
Overlord Since: Mar, 2013
#175045: Jul 29th 2019 at 6:49:59 PM

Yes to Mengele, Jack and Colonel Spacek.

I will think about whether I want to purpose Bloodsucker and Complete Carnage or not.

Speaking of Brainiac, I think I will propose my next TMNT villain, Crainiac, from the Archie series:

Who is Crainiac? What has he done?

A little background, this story is set in 2094, the Turtles are still alive (turtles live long) and the world is devastated by climate change, the polar ice caps melted and NYC is flooded. Also despite this series being based on the 1987 cartoon, we see Raph in bed with his girlfriend, a melted a zombie face and other fun things we will get to soon...

Anyway, Donnie has a former assistant named Manx, a mutant cat, who went insane after voluntarily becoming a cyborg and became evil, renaming himself Verminator-X. He has teamed up with Crainiac, a pig-faced alien head hunter who works for other aliens that cannot dream and steals brains for them so they can access their memories to help them dream.

Verminator-X and Crainiac take dead bodies and remove their brains, turning them into zombie soldiers, that they use to gather more brains. The zombies end up killing a security guard.

Crainiac reveals to Verminator-X that an asteroid will soon hit Earth, but he has not traveled thousands of light-years to save a dying, worthless planet, he is interested in profit.

Also one of the brains Crainiac is trying to collect is Hitler's brain, so Hitler's brain shows up in this story, making it crazier, fun side note the Turtles go back in time and punch out Hitler.

Anyway, the Turtles confront Crainiac and Verminator-X, where Crainiac reveals he has captured several of Leo's students, planning to harvest their brains, but Verminator-X convinces Crainiac to flee instead (Verminator-X does not want to harvest living people's brains).

Later the Turtles invade Crainiac's lab, seeing several zombies. The zombies attack, but one of them begs for the Turtles to kill him, so it seems like these zombies are alive to feel pain and wish death. Even the brains attack the Turtles, seems like the brains could be in pain as well. Anyway, the Turtles kill the zombies and free the brains, pissing off Crainiac. Crainiac wants to harvest their brains instead, but again Verminator-X tries to stop him, Crainiac gets frustrated with Verminator-X and says he can die with the rest of the Earth and flees. So Verminator-X and the Turtles have to work together to destroy the asteroid.

Is he heinous by the standard of the story?

Not going to lie, the heinous standard is steep in this series, Krang destroyed several planets, Null tried to destroy humanity twice (was likely a rapist), etc.

However, Crainiac is a loner and has fewer resources then villains like Krang and Null. He has his partner Verminator-X (who eventually turns against him) and some tech to harvest brains.

He may not be as proactive as those other villains in terms of body count, but he could have done something to save the Earth, even telling people on Earth of the threat of the asteroid, instead, he is running around, trying to steal Hitler's brain and creating zombies who can feel pain.

I also think his general M.O is pretty nasty, he has no problem killing people to get what he wants, his zombies are in pain and wish death and he has no problem harvesting living brains, only refraining to ensure Verminator-X's assistance.

Any Freudian Excuse or other redeeming qualities?

Survey says.....Buzzt!

Final Verdict?

Depends on whether you think he is heinous enough or not, but personally, I give a yes to that maniac Crainiac and hey at least it's not another Brainiac.

Edited by Overlord on Jul 29th 2019 at 6:51:58 AM

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#175046: Jul 29th 2019 at 6:53:49 PM

[tup] Crainiac.

As for the most heinous villains I've effortposted, The CEO from Thing-Thing is the current bar by which I measure the heinousness of all my other candidates, despite being a non-action antagonist, considering the horrible experiments conducted under his auspices, and his blatant disregard for the lives of his men.

Other villains (who I didn't effortpost)? Not sure, but I think it would be Ajax/Francis from Deadpool (2016) for supervillains, Hans Gruber from Die Hard for action villains, and Ernst Stavro Blofeld from the James Bond series for spy fiction villains.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Jul 29th 2019 at 10:01:38 AM

Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#175047: Jul 29th 2019 at 6:56:08 PM

[tup] Spawn Duo.

[tup] Crainiac.

[tup] Spacek.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
Overlord Since: Mar, 2013
#175048: Jul 29th 2019 at 6:58:08 PM

I think in terms of realistic evil, the Commandant from Beasts of No Nation is the worst I proposed.

Though Camilla from the trashy 1990 horror film the Guardian is pretty nasty for a low-level demon, stealing babies and trapping their souls in a tree to be tormented forever is pretty damn awful.

Edited by Overlord on Jul 29th 2019 at 7:00:10 AM

Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#175050: Jul 29th 2019 at 7:00:50 PM

[tup] for Crainiac (or is it Craniac?). Forgot how creatively over-the-top this franchise is. Love it.

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