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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
PureGrainAlkaSeltzer The Lord Of Walruses from 1200 Pennsylvania Ave Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
The Lord Of Walruses
#168703: Jun 19th 2019 at 9:38:37 PM

[tup] to Lucifer

I have no idea what I am doing
papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#168705: Jun 19th 2019 at 9:44:45 PM

[up] Not yet... Been wanting to look on that one. Though I remember that there was an example that got axed during the great purge of 2017 of unapproved entries

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#168707: Jun 19th 2019 at 9:53:21 PM

@papyru Sure, go ahead. I wouldn't mind sharing either. But if you want to cover it for yourself, I won't stop you and vote like other users in here

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
SumDumNerd LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED from [REDACTED] Since: May, 2017 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#168712: Jun 19th 2019 at 11:31:52 PM

Heys guys so after discussing this one with TheMadCrow I think I have one more from Black Mirror from the Christmas special Black Mirror: White Christmas.

What’s The Episode?

White Christmas is Black Mirror’s very own Christmas Special. The special stars two men, Matt and Joe, stationed at a remote outpost in the middle of a snowy wilderness and to pass the time they tell each other their respective lives. We’ll be discuss everything Matt has done.

Who Is He What? Has He Done?

Matt Trent is one of two men in the cabin who tells him about his night life running an online group where they watch each other have sex with women. Matt eventually convinces a boy named Harry to pick up a chick via his headpiece, with intent of he and his group watching him have sex with the women unknown to Harry and the women.

However it turns out said women happens to be homicidal and suicidal who kills Harry and herself. Matt’s only concern was that he might get implicated in the incident so he abandons Harry as he is getting murdered as well as his online group while he tries to destroy any evidence that might pertain to Matt. However Matt’s wife catches him in the act and files for divorce taking their daughter with her.

Matt then tells Joe his day job creating sentient copies of people called “cookies”, imprisons them inside an egg-shaped object, and forces them to serve their owners for the rest of their lives, basically creating digital yet fully sentient slaves.

Should they not follow Matt’s demands Matt forces them to endure weeks, months, or even years of complete isolation driving them insane and begging for work while for Matt it would only be a couple of seconds and minutes.

The most prominent example of such is when he makes “cookie” Greta experience three weeks of complete isolation while it would only be a few seconds for Matt, and then makes experience six months of isolations eventually breaking the poor girl’s mind and culling to Matt’s demands.

Matt then forces Joe to open up about his past forcing Joe to relive the time where his girlfriend blocked him and that he spent years stalking her and the girl he thought was his daughter only to realize that wasn’t the case Beth was cheating Joe, leading to Joe to kill her father in a blind rage.

After tearfully confessing this to Matt, Matt callously celebrates his success in front of the broken man before leaving the cabin digitally revealing to have created a sentient copy of Joe to get a murder confession from him in for the police in exchange to be released from prison for his part in Harry. The police comply to Matt’s deal and Matt leaves “cookie” Joe at the police’s mercy, but the police gives an alternative punishment for Matt in that he’s now block from the rest of humanity.

Freudian Excuse? Redeeming Qualities?

Okay its a little complicated but I think I can explain them. First off he did had a family and mentions this to Joe, but there isn’t any onscreen evidence that he has shown any care for them at all. Case in point when he has an argument with his wife and she blocks him Matt only show mild annoyance instead of shock and distress like Joe did and isn’t upset that she left and took sole custody of their daughter, only concern with trying to get himself out of prison.

He also shows no remorse in his involvement getting Harry killed by a psychopath or breaks “cookie” Joe with his ruthless manipulation before gleefully cheering in victory that he got a confession out of him. Basically Matt is perfect example of a sociopath who only views all life wether it be real or artificial to be merely objects to be manipulated and cause suffering toward if it means he could benefit from it.

Finally there is his fate of being blocked from all of humanity in which while brutal, it was never viewed in sympathetic light at all, especially if you can compare that with all the suffering and agony that Matt and the police put Joe through. In end I don’t believe Matt possesses a single true sympathetic nor redeeming quality.

Heinousness

As said Black Mirror has a high standard but I think Matt gets a pass here by giving himself a unique niche in the heinous standard.

Not only his he directly involved in getting an innocent person killed and causing a suicide of another unstable person, he also creates numerous digital copies which are completely sentient and destroys their minds by subjecting them through weeks, month, and even years of complete isolation before enslaving them for their entire lives putting them all through And I Must Scream fate and turning them into slaves.

Matt is basically the precursor towards the likes of Robert Daly, Rolo Haynes, and Catherine given that Matt appeared before them and introduce the “digital cookie” concept to the show wile other three followed his actions afterwards which were more or less inspired by Matt.

There’s also Joe who murdered Beth’s father but showed great remorse for the act especially when it led to his grandchild’s death, while Matt showed zero remorse in all the suffering he’s caused. There’s also the police officers who makes “cookie Joe” listen to "I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday" for 1000 years per minute, but given that Matt created cookie Joe in the first place and deliberately left him at the police’s mercy, I’d say Matt is also responsible for all of “Cookie” Joe’s suffering as well.

Final Verdict?

I’ll leave that to you guys

Edited by G-Editor on Jun 19th 2019 at 11:21:20 PM

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DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
KingofNightmares Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#168715: Jun 20th 2019 at 12:27:53 AM

[tup]Lucifer and Matt

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
IukaSylvie from Kyoto, Japan Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#168717: Jun 20th 2019 at 12:34:53 AM

Yea on Matt I think

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Pemulis_128 A 20th Century Boy from Teleporting behind you Since: Jul, 2018 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#168720: Jun 20th 2019 at 2:35:44 AM

[tup] to Matt.

Things are really about to get Fun around here
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#168721: Jun 20th 2019 at 4:18:31 AM

[tup]Lucifer and Matt.

k410ren Since: Jan, 2016
#168722: Jun 20th 2019 at 5:18:19 AM

Does anyone know how to upload videos? I have examples for Judge Doom, Ernst Stavro Blofeld, Amon Goeth, Col. William Tavington and Jatemme Manning. The Goeth one isn’t the one I found to open the idea of CM video examples, but the original is lost and the only other video for the scene is too long.

Edited by k410ren on Jun 20th 2019 at 9:04:11 AM

"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#168724: Jun 20th 2019 at 6:05:30 AM

Go to this thread which deals with video uploading.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#168725: Jun 20th 2019 at 6:06:05 AM

[tup] to Matt.

[up][up] I know how video uploading works. Unfortunately, you need to be able to edit a page to upload a video, so I'm afraid you'll have to ask a mod to do it for you.


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