During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Chip.
If I had to be honest, I didn't expect Neron to get approved in the first place. I voted Yes to be safe but the reasoning for saying no makes complete sense. I wonder if Diaz will get through, or if the only arrowverse CM material this time around will be a silly cut.
I have a few questions, though....
Was the bad guy from Elseworlds ever discussed? Because I remember him standing out quite a bit but it was a while ago now. He could crumble under the Arrowverse's ridiculous heinous standard or something.
And another one, how will reservations for Crisis work? Will one person reserve it all, since it's basically a TV movie, or what? I don't know what's gonna happen there.
And a third... is it too early to start reserving the next Arrowverse seasons individually?
Edited by MahStache on Jun 3rd 2019 at 10:05:56 AM
Chip
Neron (got to love those last minute "redeeming qualities")
Now then here's Marissa Wiegler's write-up:
- Hanna: Marissa Wiegler is the CIA operative in charge of the agency's Galinka project, experimenting on dozens of infants to create super soldiers. Terminating the project, Wiegler has the babies killed and tries to kill Erik Heller when he rescues the infant Hanna from her termination, killing Hanna's mother, Johanna, in the process. Hoping to kill the two many years later, Wiegler hires the sadist hitman Isaac to hunt down Hanna, while she tracks Erik herself, killing Hanna's grandmother along the way. Learning of Hanna's whereabout from a family and heavily implied to have killed them, Wiegler then proceeds to murder Erik and his friend before attempting to kill Hanna.
Edited by G-Editor on Jun 2nd 2019 at 10:59:25 PM
My sandbox of EPs and other stuffYeah, we discussed Elseworlds. The Monitor is a Well-intentioned extremist, and while Doctor Destiny is usually depicted as a Complete Monster in most adaptations, he's not heinous enough here in the Arrowverse...yet, anyway.
Eh, Neron's redeeming qualities weren't really last minute. Tabitha had been foreshadowed for a while.
Edited by speyeker on Jun 3rd 2019 at 2:10:23 AM
I did wonder if Tabitha being the Fairy Godmother herself was a last minute decision like making Hank Heywood well-intentioned because the writers liked his character. It does not fit her early description of Neron.
Good to Know about Elseworlds, thank you. If Doctor Destiny is in Crisis, he may well count.
I'd like to reserve Supergirl actually... they had a biiiiig tease or two in season four's ending.
Edited by MahStache on Jun 3rd 2019 at 10:13:14 AM
If we're doing reservations for future Arrowverse Seasons, I guess I'll reserve discussion for the next season of The Flash, if only for the sake of keeping tabs on Thawne. I have no idea if he gets any redeeming qualities in the most recent season but I've been preparing a big effortpost for him after the Earth X multiparter for when his arc is finally really for real over (Which, coincidentally is when I'll stop reserving The Flash since I can barely be assed to keep up with it anymore).
I was also hoping to reserve Crisis on Infinite Earths... and had no idea it was announced earlier with people reserving it ahead of time.
Edited by FriedWarthog on Jun 3rd 2019 at 2:23:32 AM
Alright, I put your names on the reservation list. That leaves Legends Season 5. Well Fried, I'm sure the two of them won't object to collaborating, especially if it also concerns you, since Thawne is pretty certainly gonna appear in Crisis.
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianAh, finally, some write-up. I finally have enough time. I usually send to clean up to the Help With English Thread, but now it is taking a lot of time.
- Deathtopia by Yoshinobu Yamada: While Kou Fujimura learned that while all the Cheaters harbor dark thoughts, many of them live normal lives. However, the following trio embrace their darkest side.
- The Master is the last villain of the series and Kou Fujimura's biological uncle. Formerly known as Magata Agito, he awakened a combination of genes that turned him into the first Cheater. Arrested for having murdered two woman after returning to Japan, he was experimented on by his brother-in-law to understand the nature of his virtual inmortality. Saved for his own sister despite having abandoned her, Agito tries to take her body, accidentally awakening her own powers, damning her to have her body being constantly destroyed and reformed, leading to his brother-in-law becoming the Cheater Ud. Naming himself The Master, he manipulates younger Cheaters to become his followers before sending them to kill Ud and steal the deformed remains of his sister to use them for his plan to launch a coup against the Japanese goverment alongside a militar, intending to kill half of the population of Tokyo. When Kou confronts him, The Master leaves him to die in fire alongside his girlfriend. A man that enjoys hurting his own family, The Master planned to kill millions to create a twisted utopia where Cheaters are free to hurt and kill as many they want.
- Karen Kirishima is the first major villain and one of the most sadistic. A beautiful woman that manipulates men into joining her gang and a deadly assassin, Karen takes the eyes of her favorite victims to keep them in jars. Intending to take Kou Fujimura's special eyes, Karen sends her gang to hunt him. When a man that loved her has doubts and crashes her gang's car, injuring many of her followers, Karen beats him to death and takes his eyes, convinced that "low-level" men like him should be glad for it. A sadistic killer feared even by other Cheaters and a terrible leader, Karen brutally murder her own gang, leaving their scattered bodies as part of a horrific yet useless trap.
- Reverse is a Serial Killer with a particularly horrible method . A man named Mitsuo Okita, Reverse kills people that appeared on magazines with a unique method, using his power to emit pheromones that prevent his victim from moving before slowly "reverse" their organs, leaving them to die for the blood loss and exposed organs. Aware that his power is useless in combats and at long distances, Reverse waits years between his killing sprees, having killed 28 persons, including the family of Yui Kisaragi, who survived due to not being in the house during Reverse's assault. Returning to his old habits, Reverse kills a couple before being lured into Yui's trap. Managing to use his powers, Reverse paralyzes Yui and tells about the details of her family's death before trying to "reverse" her organs. A sadistic murderer unable to fight directly and aware of his own lack of power, Reverse killed thirty people in one of the most painful ways.
Edited by KazuyaProta on Jun 3rd 2019 at 4:33:49 AM
Watch me destroying my countryShould I cut that WIE from Apocalypse's page, or just add a Depending on the Writer?
Now a non-comicbook show related post.
What Is the Work?
His Night Begins
is an ongoing Indian noir podcast by writer Nikesh Murali based on his 2014 novella of the same name. I haven't read the novella, but despite the fact that it promises sequels there actually aren't any; instead, Murali has decided to focus on podcast stories instead of physical books, and as such is making future seasons act out as the sequels he promised. It's currently on its second season, but I'll get to that once it's ended.
In an India where criminal empires rule over everything, Virat Nariman, a hitman with no qualms about torture, goes on a rampage against a child-sex trafficking ring for the rape and decapitation of his daughter, Anya. Meanwhile, we also follow Gulab Sharma, a young girl who has become an unfortunate prisoner in this trafficking ring as she's past down through the pipeline to various parts of this large operation.
Who Is he?
Ranjha Seth, from Season 1, is the brutal owner of a brothel who also takes part in the child-trafficking operation, doing so just to acquire more women for his business and line his pockets with cash.
What has he done?
At the age of 22, Ranjha Seth had inherited the brothel position from his deceased father. Taking control over part of the city as its criminal overlord, Seth would have the wives and daughters of poor farmers/labors kidnapped (because poor families were starting to become harder to come by), with the families often serving as Seth’s slaves thanks to him getting them in debt, and making them work to pay off their dues. He has a forum where clients can request specific women, with Seth doing what he can to heed their wishes and gain money. When criminal emperor Sai Kali Bhakth started requesting virgins from Seth to be used in his black magic rituals, Seth happily complied; when he saw Gulab entering his domain, he decided to have her sent to Sai as a sacrifice victim, hoping to get another golden sword from his boss (he had gotten one earlier for giving him his virgins). Seth had also used Sai as a way to deal with anyone who comes in his path.
First seen viewing his 15 captives lining up to take photos to be used for his website, Seth berates his photographer for trying to make them look happy, and threatens one of the girls with chopping her arm off should she not cooperate, even allowing the other girls to dogpile on her and beat her up. Using the brutish Chaman Lal, his bodyguard, to torture people who cross him, he notices Lal abusing a father who had tried to sneak in and retrieve his daughter. When he’s called a “monster” by the father, Seth promises to make good use of this moniker by allowing Lal to pick up a hammer and bash it against the father’s head, killing him. When Virat later invades his hideout, kills everyone there, and tortures Seth for information, Seth is shown a photo of Anya. Not recognizing her, Seth tries to lure Virat into a trap that would have him killed by his men. Virat sees through his lies and kills Seth by wrapping rope around his neck and hanging him.
Redeeming Qualities?
None.
Heinousness?
While there are several criminals, pedophiles, and other people involved within this trafficking operation, they either have little screentime, or a loved one. Ranjha Seth is an exception. He loves no one, and views everyone as just a part of his brothel business, doing whatever he can to become rich and expand his business.
Conclusion
I think he’s a keep.
Edited by therealjackieboy on Jun 3rd 2019 at 3:30:06 AM
It's Spooky Month!
Seth.
OK something has been bothering me about GOT Joffrey, his character page
says that he's sad about his father's death and that he takes offense at anyone insulting him. I reviewed the scene and he does look devastated. I couldn't find an EP for him or any mention of this anywhere.

Edited by ACW on Jun 3rd 2019 at 4:21:08 AM