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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#165351: May 31st 2019 at 12:32:33 PM

[tup] Fish.

I guess Mad Dog is still a keep, and like i said before, i give you my permission to rewrite his entry.

SumDumNerd LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED from [REDACTED] Since: May, 2017 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#165354: May 31st 2019 at 1:07:48 PM

[tup] Fish. Always wanted a version of that depraved fucker to go up, but most are too fuckin' nuts.

ReynTime250 Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#165356: May 31st 2019 at 1:11:29 PM

[tup] to Fish/Slendy.

Edited by Kylotrope on May 31st 2019 at 1:15:07 AM

Things are really about to get Fun around here
Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#165357: May 31st 2019 at 1:39:43 PM

[tup]Fish.

Why so serious?
CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#165360: May 31st 2019 at 2:25:33 PM

I’m in my room at my college reunion now (Class of 2014). I’ll still check in here on occasion.

PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#165361: May 31st 2019 at 2:30:55 PM

Tarkin doesn't need a pothole but I won't object.

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#165362: May 31st 2019 at 2:33:38 PM

Okay, since it get enough votes, here is writeup for Slender Man:

Slender Man: Albert Fish, also known as The Boogey Man, was behind murders of 15 children in Oukridge, whom he tortured and cannibalized while working as a priest in local church. After he was discovered, he escaped in to Virginia and then New York, where he killed dozen more children, before he was caught and sentenced to death. Due to being so evil, that even Hell refused to take him, he was able to return to mortal realm as supernatural entity called Slender Man. Creating his own Pocket Dimension inside of a lake in the park, Albert starts kidnapping and feasting on children once again to satisfy his hunger for human meat. Later on he starts driving some adults insane and has them commit murders, after which he feast on them as well. Causing chaos all around the town, Albert Fish desires to become free, so that he could repeat his murders all around the world.

Also couple of rewrites, first for "Mad Dog", second for Maro from "Batwoman" comics (due to me reading 2 arcs in which he appeared and current writeup missed quite a few of his crimes, like trying to help end humanity):

Batwoman: Maro is a former warlock, who becomes a servant of Medusa cult, due to desire of unleashing all monsters from Greek mythology upon mankind. Starting off by drowning the children of Maria, thus turning her in to the Weeping Woman, Maro goes off to create several more monsters and have them kill and kidnap young women and children, whom he used for sacrifice. Manipulating Batwoman to help kill his master, Maro becomes the chief servant of Medusa and helps her free many monsters from the myths, who then proceed to cause chaos all over Gotham, killing hundreds. Later on he assist Medusa in summoning of Mother of all Monsters to bring the end of mankind.

Sinner's Reward: Michael "Mad Dog" Stanton is the abusive father of Jack "The Pup" Stanton who, despite only appearing in one flashback, proved himself to be the one responsible for Jack's misfortunes. Wanting his son to follow in his footsteps as contract hitman, he sadistically forces him to kill his own dog when he was only eight, beating him for hesitating. Traumatizing the poor boy for life, Michael succeeds in creating a cold blooded killer out of Jack, who goes on to kill many people, innocent or otherwise, which in the end, results in Jack committing suicide, to escape "Mad Dog's" influence.

Edited by VeryVileVillian on May 31st 2019 at 12:35:48 PM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#165363: May 31st 2019 at 2:34:53 PM

Oh yes, I'd say trying to Kill All Humans is worth mentioning [lol]

Please add to the Drafts.

After less than 35 last week, we're gonna possibly be over 50 this week.

Is there a way to see the English translation of that story?

Also, fanfiction or crossovers?

Edited by ACW on May 31st 2019 at 5:40:40 AM

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#165364: May 31st 2019 at 2:41:58 PM

[up]There are no translations of this fic, as far as i'm aware of.

I'd say in crossover section on Fan Works page.

Also, how is this image for Maro from Batwoman #6?

Edited by VeryVileVillian on May 31st 2019 at 12:43:46 PM

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#165365: May 31st 2019 at 2:45:43 PM

The Maro pic works for me.

Speaking of, I'm trying to find a decent image of Palpatine electrocuting Mace Windu.

Edited by ImperialMajestyXO on May 31st 2019 at 2:46:46 AM

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#165366: May 31st 2019 at 2:46:29 PM

Sweet! Maro's rewrite doesn't seem bad at all tbh.

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
#165367: May 31st 2019 at 2:50:10 PM

[tup] to Albert Fish the Slenderman.

[tdown] to Magica De Spell.

[up][up][up]Image looks good.

[down]That one definitely works.

Edited by falcontalons on May 31st 2019 at 3:04:02 AM

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#165368: May 31st 2019 at 2:56:02 PM

Also, second possible image of Maro feeding Killer Croc innocent people , after he turned him in to a bigger and more powerful monster.

Edited by VeryVileVillian on May 31st 2019 at 12:56:23 PM

FriedWarthog Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#165369: May 31st 2019 at 3:06:17 PM

Yes to Slenderman and both Maro images.

Edited by FriedWarthog on May 31st 2019 at 3:23:39 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#165370: May 31st 2019 at 3:12:02 PM

Sure to both images.

FW, the close parenthesis is screwing up the link.

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#165371: May 31st 2019 at 3:18:57 PM

Sweet. Not sure if you want to collab though but if you don't, I'm cool with you taking it. @Fried Warthog

Anyways, belated Gelmud's writeup:

That Time I Got Reincarnated As A Slime: Gelmud is a demon that serves one of the Ten Great Demon Lords, Clayman. Desiring to get promotion, Gelmud intends to expand his master's dominion by starting an interspecies war in the Great Forest of Jura. To this end, he manipulated several species by naming them in order to get them stronger and then uses the Leader of the dying Orc race as the new demon lord to attack Great Forest of Jura. This resulted on the Ogre village getting decimated which leaves only five survivors behind and several innocent species getting eaten by the Orc Lord. When one of the species leader tries to thank Gelmud for his help, Gelmud simply tries to eliminate him and his army once they had no further use to him.

Any issues on my writeup especially the grammatical issues, the things that seems useless to be contained in the writeup like standard villainy behavior and so on? Let me know what are your guys feedback on this before I add it to the drafts

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on May 31st 2019 at 5:19:28 PM

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#165372: May 31st 2019 at 3:23:12 PM

[tup] Albert Fish/Slenderman. The second version of Slenderman to count I believe.

And a DEFINITE yes to the Maro images.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#165373: May 31st 2019 at 3:23:48 PM

Looks good. I can take care of the grammar. Smug Snake for his name? Or Malevolent Masked Man?

[tup] Both images. Please add to the Drafts in the correct order.

I plan to write up Brainiac tomorrow.

Edited by ACW on May 31st 2019 at 6:25:21 AM

falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
#165374: May 31st 2019 at 3:24:38 PM

[up][up]Actually, it's the third. The ones from Windigo and Slender: The Arrival both count.

Edited by falcontalons on May 31st 2019 at 3:24:49 AM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP

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