During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
~Scraggle, I made a rewrite because the original text didn't make it clear that Utena is underage, which is a big deal for me. Here's a modified rewrite, now without the part I took from Ragyo Kiryuin's entry:
- Revolutionary Girl Utena: Akio Ohtori, the true identity of "End of the World", runs the Rose Duels that passes his sister, the Rose Bride Anthy, around to the victors, abusive or otherwise. Once Dios, he grew disillusioned with heroism and allowed the Swords of Hate to stab Anthy as The Scapegoat for centuries. As the acting chairman at Ohtori Academy in the present, he seduces several people, including his fiancée's mother, in order to manipulate them. He gains a cold enjoyment out of mentally ripping apart those near him, including his fiancée, whom it's possible that he's poisoning to get her out of the way. When Anthy hesitates to continue their weekly tryst with him one night, he angrily rapes her anyway. He seduces the 14-year-old Utena and deflowers her, manipulating her feelings for him to send her into a final confrontation to be sacrificed for his "revolution", where he uses Anthy as a meat shield and orders her to stab Utena in the back literally. While he claims that he wants to get his lost powers as Dios back so that he can free Anthy, in reality, he sees people around him as pawns or toys, to be physically, mentally, or sexually dominated, used and discarded as his plans or his whims demand.
Edited by IukaSylvie on May 30th 2019 at 4:12:54 AM
Plague Tale villains, Leon and Edgar
to the Megabyte images
Here's Goddard's write up. If it's too long I can cut it down.
- Arc of a Scythe: Scythe Goddard from Scythe is a sadistic, egotistical, yet charming Scythe known as "The Master of Mass Gleanings." He is introduced gleaning a fully booked airplane, taking great joy in doing so. Over the course of the book Goddard and his junior Scythes go on several gleaning expeditions, gleefully gleaning hundreds. When Scythe Faraday takes in two apprentices, Rowan and Citra, Goddard has the rules changed so that one will have to glean the other when ordained. When Faraday gleans himself to free his apprentices, Goddard takes in Rowan and attempts to take in Citra, planning on pitting them against each other for his own amusement. While training Rowan he brutally beats him and makes him train on live targets to make him bloodthirsty. When High Blade Xenocrates makes a joke at his expense, Goddard reveals that he's holding his young illegitimate daughter Esme hostage, forcing Xenocrates to embarrass himself as payback for the joke. When Rowan implies that he may have murdered Faraday, Goddard threatens to glean Citra's family as well as Rowan's friend Tyger. He then has Citra framed for Faraday's murder to ensure that Rowan will have to glean her. His most evil act comes when he targets a Tone Cult cloister, gleaning everyone inside including a room full of children, causing Volta to glean himself out of guilt, which Goddard mocks Volta for. Goddard finally attempts to make Rowan kill the last cultist, calling his compassion cowardice. While Goddard claims to mean well in his gleanings, it's clear that he's really a bloodthirsty monster who wishes for all Scythes to be as sadistic as him and for him to have the freedom to glean as many as he pleases.
Edited by papyru30 on May 28th 2019 at 12:10:34 PM
Here is writeup for Shredder and Ra's Al Ghul:
Batman vs The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Shredder and Ra's Al Ghul are leaders League of Assassins and Foot Clan, who stroke a deal in the past. According to it Shredder would help Ra's build a machine, capable of spreading dangerous mutagen across Gotham City and Ra's in return will provide Shredder with location to Lazarus Pit, which would grant him immortality. Invading various corporations, killing the stuff, what happens to be there and stealing high-tech, Shredder was able to nearly complete the machine, only failing to acquire Cloud Seeder. Hearing about the failure, Ra's Al Ghul made a change to their plans and take Shredder with him to invade Arkham Asylum, killing all the guards there and freeing prisoners, not before taking formula to Joker Venom from Joker and giving him mutagen, so that he could mutate the inmates to serve as a distraction to Batman and the Turtles. After Ra's hired Penguin to steal Cloud Seeder, he and Shredder take it away, killing all Penguin's henchmen and threatening to kill him as well, when he demanded a payment. Hoping to combine Joker Venom with mutagen and create a far more dangerous virus, that would not only painfully mutate people, but make them homicidal and extremely aggressive, Ra's and Shredder prepare to spread it on thousands citizens of Gotham, to create a chaos and destruction, so that they could repeat this process around the world.
Isn't ... Please don't take this the wrong way but aren't Japan's laws on age of consent different? Seems... Iffy to call attention to her age. Like, if this were set in Brirain and she were 16 I'd be dead set against mentioning that because Brits' age of consent is 16. EDIT: doing some research shows this is more complex than I thought since different provinces in Japan treat "Corruption of minors" differently. I am tempted to think we just leave her age out to avoid headaches. Unless the work itself makes a point of it being a bad thing. Then I can add it without hesitation.
...Ahem.
Lord Nicolas Bolas and his boss and pigeon hater. Even Moriarty liked pigeons.
Image link to "Sweet" Joe Petunia from "The Iron Saint" doesn't work, so i propose another link
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Also, can i propose new image of Shredder killing an Arkham guard
◊ for TMNT page?
I've requested the link change for Petunia.
I like the current image at the TMNT page, but Shredder works for the main image page.
The current page image for Complete Monster almost seems like a bad visual pun. Puns can be fine if used correctly but I don't think anyone wants this turning into a comedy wiki.
On a roll here with Lovecraft-related keeps, so how's about another one and my first from 2000 AD?
What's the setting?
Necronauts is a 2001 comic kind of featuring a crossover between many important figures from the 1920s—Harry Houdini, Charles Fort, Arthur Conan Doyle and H.P. Lovecraft—teaming up in a sort of pulp adventure against the Cthulhu Mythos. Harry, who sends his own body and soul flying through the void outside the universe, comes treacherously close to the further part of it and comes back to his own body reeling. Harry Houdini is marked and made the target of ancient entities... our candidate is their human agent, the "Aviator of the Unknown."
Who is the Aviator of the Unknown? What has he done?
A pale, grinning aviator who is the leader of a nefarious cult serving the eldritch horrors known as the Sleepers in the Void, the Aviator serves the Sleepers for the purpose of power and survival, working tirelessly to find a way to bring the Sleepers into the world itself. This? Would mean the end of all creation, with the Aviator knowingly selling out all humanity to be horrifyingly harvested
◊ by the Sleepers in the Void while he remains untouched. The Aviator finds out about Houdini when he elicits the attention of his masters, and introduces himself gently comforting a cult member who failed to turn the Sleepers' wrath away from the other members of the cult. The Aviator tells him things will be alright... then coldly shoots him in the back of the skull to offer up his soul to his masters, callously brushing off him off and sending Tchos Tchos—resurrected wights—to locate Houdini and kill anyone else in the way.
The Aviator reappears in the Dreamlands themselves, relentlessly hounding Houdini and trapping his soul in the Dreamlands by shooting him down in a dogfight. The Aviator snidely brushes off Houdini's disgust, revealing he's had Lovecraft enslaved by the Sleepers' influence and acting as his servant to lure Houdini into his clutches. The Aviator intends to use Houdini's soul to offer up to the Sleepers, to allow them to use his still-living body as a lifeline to navigate out of the darkness and pour onto Earth. When the other heroes threaten to destroy the Aviator and his cult by killing their sleeping bodies, the Sleepers implore the Aviator to murder the others where we get a rather awful revelation.
As it turns out, the Aviator? Is all but explicitly named as the famous pilot Charles Lindbergh, whose one-year-old son was brutally murdered. Lindbergh orchestrated this, offering up the soul of his own firstborn for the promise of power. Madly attempting to kill everyone in the area, Houdini finally kills Lindbergh by dragging him down with him over the edge into the Sleepers in the Void, destroying both of them as a horrified Lindbergh is undone by the true form of his masters.
Any mitigating factors?
Nada. The Aviator is in it all for personal gain, never once reacting to the death of his cultists when he's not executing them himself, and he easily clears the standard—ushering in a horrific apocalypse and having all humanity harvested is bad enough, but sacrificing your one-year-old son to eldritch horrors is an unusually nasty Historical Villain Upgrade for Charles Lindbergh.
Conclusion?
Easy keeper.
Thoughts?
Edited by Scraggle on May 29th 2019 at 4:59:56 AM

Yes to the pigeon-hating psychologist. Bastard.