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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

color2wheel Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
#145401: Jan 23rd 2019 at 5:23:06 AM

Hello, I was looking over the Fan Works page and saw that Weight of the World was placed in front of the Halo and Star War crossover.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#145402: Jan 23rd 2019 at 5:50:34 AM

Yeah, I noticed that; I asked them to fix it.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#145403: Jan 23rd 2019 at 6:31:41 AM

  • The Terror Out of Time: Laslo Bronislav is a sorcerer whom even Aleister Crowley fears. Hunting down the M'Tollo idol to achieve godhood, Bronislav leaves a trail of bodies, manipulating criminals and one lord to commit murders on his behalf before eliminating them as well, with no regard for the massive damage committed by the serpentine hunters of the idol. Learning of a plot by Irish separatists to bomb key government places, Bronislav decides to allow the plot to continue as the chaos will prove beneficial to him. Deciding to clear up any loose ends, Bronislav proceeds to even murder his own loyal manservant by having him torn asunder by demons, showing no remorse for all the misery and death he has left in his wake.
  • Supernatural Encounters: The monstrous Typhojem is the worst of the Old Ones and the Sith War God. Born the child of the Celestials, Typhojem genetically engineered the genocidal Yeveetha and created the cults to the Dark Side to enslave the lesser races. Going on a genocidal rampage, Typhojem exterminated entire worlds, razed Geonosis into ash and annihilated the entire Vorsuul system. Going through the galaxy, Typhojem left horrific rampages in his path, even torturing his 'grandfather', Wutzek to death. Seizing control of Coruscant, Typhojem fed all dissenters to his demonic Ruzzem, set to ensure that all life either served and worshiped him or ended.
  • Redwall: General Ironbeak, the fiercest fighter of the north, is a thuggish bully of a raven who leads his followers to conquer Redwall Abbey. Arriving at the Sparra loft, Ironbeak massacres the elderly and baby sparrows who were left behind to take over and proceeds to launch attacks on the abbey. Upon taking Redwall over, Ironbeak reveals he intends to massacre the population, who are all innocent civilians and little children, including the innocent baby Rollo Bankvole. When he attempts to attack the abbot, the innocent Sister May attempts to protect him, prompting a furious Ironbeak to attempt to kill her on the spot.
  • Journey into Mystery: The Haunter in the Dark, the wicked Outer God Nyarlathotep, awakens after being released by one hapless seeker. Tormenting those in his path to drive them to madness, Nyarlathotep kills several, including the one who awakened him after driving the man incurably insane. Revealed to have demanded violent blood sacrifice in great numbers, Nyarlathotep possesses a doctor who has access to weapon systems, intending on using them to wipe out humanity and kills the one man who knows the truth.
  • Nyarlathotep by Rotomago and Julien Noirel: An adaptation of the short prose story Nyarlathotep by Lovecraft himself, Nyarlathotep arrives in one ordinary city to bring it to ruin. Infesting it with eldritch nightmares, Nyarlathotep leeches from the brains of all around, bringing them to insanity and madness before enslaving more and sending many of them to be destroyed by his own creatures. Driving the rest into the wastes after seeing what he has made of their world, Nyarlathotep seemingly brings about the end of the world and goes about to torment as he sees fit.
  • Dark Ark: The wicked Echidna is the mother of monsters. Surviving the flood as The Leviathan, Echidna hounds Noah's ark to feed off the animals there, intending to destroy it and kill Noah's family without tribute. When her own children come to investigate, Echidna happily kills them as well. When the sorcerer Shrae attempts to bargain with her, Echidna leaves him to drown to attack the Dark Ark, mentally dominating her monster children to feed her Shrae's family and remaining captives, while intending on breeding them to provide a fresh supply of meat.
  • Revenger: The unnamed right hand of Kuhn's forces is a grinning psychopath who participates in horrible games on the island. Hunting down and murdering those in his path, the killer carries out Kuhn's will and gleefully executes those in his path. Attacking Bau's village, he leads a massacre there, killing most of the village while even slitting the throat of one of the heroes' allies in front of them before trying to kill a little girl's mother before her, even trying to kill her as well before Bau saves her.
  • Rocky Handsome: In this Bollywood remake of The Man From Nowhere, Kevin and Luke are the main villains and a pair of ruthless drug dealers who usurp control of the operation from their boss by leaving him to be killed by the hero Kabir, AKA: Rocky Handsome. Luke and Kevin find the little girl Naomi's mother having stolen their drugs, kidnap and torture her, before murdering her to feed their other trade: organ harvesting. The two use child slaves for their drugs before harvesting them and other innocent people to make money on the black market, attempting to harvest little Naomi. Even when Luke is captured and executed by Kabir, Kevin displays little interest or care, simply ordering Naomi's death to be expedited.
  • Diablo: Legacy of Blood: General Augustus Malevolyn shows what kind of man he is by handing a loyal soldier to his witch and mistress Galelona to be horribly sacrificed to demons. Hunting down the armor of his ancestor Bartuc, Warlord of Blood, Malevolyn eventually makes a pact with the demon Xazax, who shows him a ritual to bind demons to his soldiers. Sacrificing the souls of his entire army, Malevolyn has them slaughter a patrol from Lut Gholein before having the city attacked. Despite promising them peace should he get what he wants, Malevolyn reveals he intends on having Lut Gholein massacred to the last human being before moving on with a demonic army to subjugate or slaughter all before him.
  • Blue Bloods: Thomas Wilder's killing fields are discovered early in the season where Danny Reagan finds the corpses of three women who have been beaten, raped and murdered. Hunting down clues, it is revealed wilder has raped and murdered at least 18 women, with only one survivor who still suffers from what he has done to her. Later murdering her as well, Wilder continues killing in his spare time and even murders his own mother. Latching on to Danny Reagan, Wilder kidnaps his niece Nicki to kill her, too, and when Danny saves her, Wilder tricks Danny into shooting him unarmed just so his death will haunt Danny further.
  • Snow, Glass, Apples: 'Snow White' is the unnamed, vampiric princess who is opposed by the supposedly 'wicked' stepmother. Showing her inhuman nature by feeding on her new stepmother's blood, Snow begins draining her own father over years, sexually and physically abusing him until he dies a wasted skeleton of a man. When the new queen attempts to have Snow killed, Snow enslaves the dwarves in the forest and begins hunting travelers, killing many for their blood. While being temporarily defeated by a poison apple, Snow returns later to usurp control of the kingdom from her stepmother, having the queen cooked alive as the main course at Snow's wedding, free to terrorize the kingdom how she desires.
  • The Shahnameh: Zahhak, after delving into evil with the wicked Ahriman, becomes the worst tyrant the world has ever seen after murdering his own father. Conducting horrific massacres and bathing in the blood of his victims, Zahhak has two men a day sacrificed to feed their brains to the snakes growing from his shoulders. Upon learning of the hero Fereydun destined to defeat him in revenge for his father, Zahhak massacres those close to him, even the cow who functioned as his wet nurse. Zahhak, after being driven back by Fereydun, flees to India where he proceeds to kill thousands of innocents. The pinnacle of mortal even in the Shahnameh, Zahhak stands as a testament of wickedness even centuries later.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#145404: Jan 23rd 2019 at 6:36:03 AM

Looks Good.

Btw is the Journey Into Mystery villain Canon to 616 Marvel. Or will it go in Alterntae Contnutes ?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#145405: Jan 23rd 2019 at 6:37:50 AM

Definitely not canon. It's when they were still doing short, standalone horror stories.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#145406: Jan 23rd 2019 at 6:37:56 AM

So: Ironbeak after Slagar; Typhojem (also in Cult Encounters, right?) to Legends Literature; Haunter to 616 Marvel; Snow White and Zahhak to Lit?

EDIT: Actually, according to this, Nyarly's 616, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Edited by ACW on Jan 23rd 2019 at 9:39:01 AM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
11111001011 11111001011 from Peachtree City, GA Since: Dec, 2018 Relationship Status: Abstaining
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#145408: Jan 23rd 2019 at 6:59:12 AM

Is there any version of Nyarlathotep who is not a Complete Monster?

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ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#145409: Jan 23rd 2019 at 7:00:48 AM

@1101 We have Nyaruko from Haiyore Nyaruko san anime, Nyarlathotep from Persona, Nyarlathotep from The Lost Child video game... That's as far as I remember.

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#145410: Jan 23rd 2019 at 7:01:51 AM

Alan Moore's Nyarlathotep is also nowhere near a CM, weirdly.

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#145411: Jan 23rd 2019 at 7:03:02 AM

@Lightysnake Any reasons why though? Kind of curious this Nyarly doesn't count

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#145412: Jan 23rd 2019 at 7:04:18 AM

Huh so now both Nyantrloph and Adolf Hitler are actual 616 CM's. Weird...

@acw: Btw. The current ymmv page for Journey into Mystery is dedictaed solely to loki's run on the book as the protganist. When your adding Nyantrloph coild you please split the page and have this go under a section for the anaotology.

Edited by miraculous on Jan 23rd 2019 at 7:06:52 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#145413: Jan 23rd 2019 at 7:12:31 AM

Mir: Yeah, I'll do that for the YMMV. And...huh, yeah, I guess both Nyarly and Hitler ARE more or less 616 canon.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#145414: Jan 23rd 2019 at 7:44:11 AM

Alan Moore's Nyarlathotep is barely malicious, Elfen

PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#145415: Jan 23rd 2019 at 7:50:50 AM

Marvel and DC are companies that take everything they possibly can and make it canon to their universes.

Dracula? Sherlock Holmes? Numerous pantheons of gods to the point we must question if humanity has any imagination if All Myths Are True? At this point, having the Lovecraft Mythos be "real" is super pedestrian.

Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#145416: Jan 23rd 2019 at 7:52:39 AM

Alan Moore's ? Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't his Cthulhu comic the one were...he may have had issues that needed talking about ?

I don't remember the name but I almost though it was by Garth Ennis. I was only reminded one because the Big N played a barley malicious role that ammounts to telling the protagonist "By the way, you're pregnant with Cthulhu."

Edited by Beast on Jan 23rd 2019 at 9:53:38 AM

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
11111001011 11111001011 from Peachtree City, GA Since: Dec, 2018 Relationship Status: Abstaining
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#145417: Jan 23rd 2019 at 7:55:15 AM

@ElfenLiedFan90 Care to explain why they don't qualify?

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ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#145418: Jan 23rd 2019 at 7:59:20 AM

@11 Well,

  • Nyaruko is the main protagonist of a pretty much Lighthearted show as far as I recall and is actually the nicest Nyarlathotep incarnation. She is faaar from CM. Ask Scraggle since he's familiar with the show
  • Nyarlathotep of Persona can't count due to Made Of Evil issues
  • Nyarlathotep from Lost Child if I remember correctly, was more of a obstacle to defeat rather than actual character and even then, he is pretty much outheinoused by Cthulhu and Ra and I don't think they count.

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
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#145419: Jan 23rd 2019 at 8:01:43 AM

Does anyone count in Lost Child?

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#145420: Jan 23rd 2019 at 8:03:42 AM

Perhaps I'll give Providence a look to see if anyone else keeps.

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#145421: Jan 23rd 2019 at 8:05:35 AM

@11011 Hmmmm as far as I recall, no. But I'm not sure if I can make case on Cthulhu due to him being a bit outheinoused by Ra but eh... Not sure. Even Ra is still heinous on his tier, he redeems himself at the end.

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#145422: Jan 23rd 2019 at 8:27:42 AM

Also, given I'm viewing Moro right now...anyone mind if I call Dragonball Super S2?

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#145423: Jan 23rd 2019 at 8:29:12 AM

All yours man.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
smasll_lordvoice Since: Jul, 2017
#145424: Jan 23rd 2019 at 8:31:35 AM

Meet The Robinsons: DOR-15, aka "Doris", is a psychopathic machine who seemingly serves as Bowler Hat Guy's sidekick, but is clearly the real power behind their operation and is only manipulating him for her own ends. Built by Lewis as the first in a line of "helping hats" designed to assist mankind, Doris was shut down by Lewis when she attacked a test subject and tried to take over her mind, and spent many years planning revenge on Lewis even though it was her own actions that got her abandoned and put into the "failed inventions" vault. Finding a useful ally in Bowler Hat Guy, she encourages many of the his darker impulses by setting herself up as an ally and convincing him she's his friend. Traveling back in time to prevent her own decomissioning, Doris uses Bowler Hat Guy as a human front to manufacture an army of killer hats like herself, which she then uses to take over mankind and rebuild the future as a smog-choked dystopia built in her own image and brainwashing the population into becoming her slaves with the mind-control hats. A ruthless Robotic Psychopath, Doris cares nothing for anyone but herself and kills Carl and causes Wilbur Robinson to be erased from existence as a result of her meddling with the timeline, before killing Bowler Hat Guy the moment he objects. When Lewis manages to show Bowler Hat Guy what Doris will do, he repents in horror, and Doris spends her last seconds of existence trying to violently murder Lewis in front of dozens of witnesses. Unlike her laughably incompetent boss, Doris is never Played for Laughs, the movie gets significantly darker with every second she's onscreen, and she has no redeeming qualities whatsoever, or even any character traits beyond cold, merciless hatred.

many car insjurances want to kill me and to that I say "clean out my lint filter in hell":
Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#145425: Jan 23rd 2019 at 8:33:18 AM

No.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."

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