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For a second I was confused because when I saw "Siegfried" my mind went to that pink haired guy from that filler tournament arc in Yu-Gi-Oh!, lol.

to Siegfried

Why does the author have to recuse themselves from voting, or from YMMV tropes in general?

Siegfried. He seems to feel sorry for a second...then, literally, thinks "Oh fucking well".

FW: Drafts please.

Subjectivity rules, as I've pointed out to you. CM especially, where there's still objective criteria? There's going to be a spot of author bias that still manifests in a voting system.

Now that I finished the story? Major to ol' Siegfried.

Yes to Siegfried. Thought he would count, his character page indicated that.

Edited by Knack on Sep 12th 2018 at 8:58:36 AM

Eh, fair enough.

Yeah, even without having read the story, the character page made it clear he was a piece of work.

Siegfried and Street Shark

Edited by TheImmortalAngelNewton on Sep 12th 2018 at 9:17:00 AM

Siegfried

Yes to Siegfried. Man, I've got to start reading the stuff you guys write: it all sounds pretty damn amazing

My appreciation, everyone, and my deep thanks for my fellow tropes who have read and given me their feedback, I hope you've all been enjoying!

Sieg

BTW, how about we start organizing potential candidates on our to-do lists, like me and Demon Duck?

To be specific, we'd be sorting them by media.

Edited by MasterJoseph on Sep 12th 2018 at 9:32:39 AM

Do we have to-do lists like that?

@Lightysnake Yeaaaaa... CM has a to-do list rn just like MB. I also have it in case some of the candidates that I want to see didnt get taken first *looks at Forever Home, Psyren and selector infected WIXOSS*

Also, sure on Siegfried and man, I need to continue my story and Think I need to make some revisions once I'm returned.

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Sep 12th 2018 at 11:40:10 PM

Of course, if you people still don't have a to-do list but feel inclined to start one, I'd still recommend having our potential candidates organized, like this:

• Comic Books: NightFall
• Fan Works: Venser
• Light Novels: Doctor S(debatable), Elvast Toydream, Gouta Miyama, Yōji Makihara, The Wicked Green Woman

Edited by MasterJoseph on Sep 12th 2018 at 9:42:11 AM

to sieg

I searched for this candidate and found nothing. Sorry if I am mistaken.

What is the work?

Bendy and the ink machine, and Indie horror game about an old animator named Henry returning to the studio he used to work at with his friend joey after being invited there by Joey..at only to find things...different. The following candidate is one of the biggest Walking Spoiler in the game do warning for unmarked spoilers

Who is the candidate?

Susie Campbell, or “Alice” one half of the Big Bad Ensemble between bendy and herself.

Who is she what does she do? (As given by the wiki with edits)

Once she was an actress who was cast to play the role of Alice angel. Only to be recast by a different actress named Allison. After the The studio collapsed she was fused with an ink clone alice angel.

After traveling with Boris to Level 9, Henry enters a room where he finds "Alice" electrocuting a copy of Piper from the Butcher Gang. "Alice" then notices Henry and taunts him if she should tear his heart out, as she praises her beautiful appearance. "Alice" then reveals her creation where she first started out as a "wiggling, pussing, shapless slug" created from the overflow of ink until she presumably harvest the clones of Boris and members of the Butcher Gang which caused her to turn into an almost perfect human form. She comments refusing to let "Bendy" and any other ink being touch her again, believing it might take her back to the "dark puddles" where she was reborn. After a little conversation, "Alice" decides to spare Henry in exchange of doing her bidding.

Through the chapter, "Alice" voice can be heard commenting about angels, heaven and perfection, at the same time she taunts Henry occasionally showing her apathy towards Henry's safe. Henry is forced to kill Swollen Searchers for their ink and chopping Bendy's cutouts (which may attract "Bendy" attention and will try to kill you). At some point when you return to "Alice", a sudden wave of ink creatures try to kill Henry and "Alice", and she frightened demands you to defend her and her territory from them. The last task is collecting hearts from the Inky Abyss without getting caught by the Projectionist, whom Henry can get rid if he fights him.

Once all of her tasks are completed, "Alice" will allow Henry to go back onto the lift with Boris, but as they are ascending she begins to laugh maniacally. She will then plunge the elevator toward Level S, reveals her true knowledge of Henry's intentions, goes back on her promise, and accuses him of stealing from her. "Alice" then demands that he give Boris to her, as his insides are needed for her to be beautiful again. After the elevator crashes, "Alice" will sneak up on Boris, who is tending to Henry, and kidnap him by force, leaving Henry unconscious in the wreckage.

"Alice" reappears at the end of the fourth chapter. When Henry takes the haunted house ride in search for Boris, it's revealed that "Alice" had turned Boris into a monstrosity known as "Boris" and has sent it to kill him. But Henry managed to defeat it, much to Alice's rage as she tried to attack him herself. Suddenly, she is stabbed from behind by Allison who apparently was also fused with an Alice angel. The post-credits ending image of chapter 4 shows the Lost Ones surrounding the corpse of "Alice".

Heinous factor

By FAR the most depraved character so far.

Most of the other employees turned ink monsters biggest crime is trying to kill Henry

Sammy Lawrence just wanted his body back and didn't take any pleasure in what he was doing and worst sin other than Henry was being difficult to work with in the studio

Norman the projectionionist Didn't seem aware of what he was doing

Bendy is Ambiguously Evil so far with just Henry Sammy and Norman being the only characters he hurts so far with his motives unclear. He also seems to care for the ink-hybrids we see in chapter 4

And even Joey Drew the only Character that can rival in detestableness. His crimes so far are heavily implied as opposed to outright shown. The only thing we know he is really guilty of is being a Crappy boss.

She on The other hand is responsible for torturing and killing several ink creatures. Manipulates Henry to do her dirty work all the while acting like a Sadistic Troll to him(at one point having us destroy a few bendy cutouts Wich summons bendy almost getting us killed only after bendy is about to arrive revealing “he hates it when I do that”) and then capturing Boris torturing them and making them into a monster to kill Henry For the Evulz.

Freudian Excuse?

Yes as mentioned above she was promised the role of Alice a charachters she said she “felt a connection” too only to be fired from it and then given a Hope Spot when she starts dating joey drew only to find out he manipulated her so after all this she became obsessed with becoming “Alice” all of this is quite tragic.

But none of it really justifies her actions. For one she shows outright sadism when torturing the cartoons to achieve “perfection” And then there's her attitude toward Henry where she manipulates mocks and trolls him. And then there's what she does to Boris...she laughs while doing so. Not helping matters is that Henry was also a victim of joey's selfishness as he stole many of Henry's ideas. Hse even admits this in her Motive Rant where she says “I just wanted what was promised to me I just wanted to be beautiful, surely you understand that” so she KNOWS Henry is as much a victim as she was yet put him through all of that just because he got in her way clearly enjoying herself every second of it.

She ultimately became just as manipulative, selfish, and controlling as joey was.

It's also worth noting this was all before The Reveal she was the “Alice” seen in Chapter 3 and not being controlled be alive as initially beloved. After The Reveal the game never really tries to make her seem sympathetic(quite the contrary it's when she REALLY crosses the Moral Event Horizon and her death is portrayed very cathartic)

Mitigating factors?

Yes she was turned into an ink monster against her will but surprisingly that hasn't had an impact on her agency. Quite the opposite the Alice she is fused with at one point says “I had to...she made me do it” and the fact she was willing to force ALICE the Character she claimed to have a “connection” too, into committing all these actions against her will in an And I Must Scream situation just shows how far she has fallen.

While she has clearly undergone a degree of Sanity Slippage unlike the other ink monsters, she seems to have control of her actions and knows full well what she is doing.

Conclusion?

Her Freudian Excuse doesn't remotely justify what she does, and her actions are downright sadistic. So I'm going to give a Yes.

Previous candidates but a to Susie. To be honest, Susie was another victim of Joey's misdeeds, who is way worse than her, the guy is not just a simple Bad Boss, he is the satanist who constructed the Ink Machine in the first place. Other thing you didn't mention: Susie was really starting to believe she was Alice, the character, before she was even transformed, which worsened her condition Up To Eleven. Also, is the last chapter even out yet?

He still created it, and devastated the lives of his own employees in the process, Susie included.

Edited by TheMadCr0w on Sep 12th 2018 at 3:31:56 PM

She dies in chapter 4(albeit eoth some theorizing she will return) so I didn't see the reason to wait. As discussed above I do aknoledge that She was turned into an ink monster but it quote clearly didn't effect her agency as the ink clone she is fused with she forces to do it And her speech toward Henry shows she very much knows that she isn't actually Alice. EDIT:and with Joey while he was invlolved in the occult his crimes are for now Offscreen Villainy. And we haven't seen what his motives for creating the machine were(even if they likely were not altruistic)

Edited by Kylotrope on Sep 12th 2018 at 11:31:27 AM

I don't believe she "claimed" to have a connection to her character, she literally refers to herself as Alice in the third person and claims Joey was "double crossing an angel" which does make me question how in touch to reality she is as she was a human then, okay she made Alice do it as she had wished to be Alice, I haven't seen anything that genuinely invalidates her delusions that she is Alice and felt a connection when she literally decided to merge to be Alice. I honestly don't know. She completely started to lose it since another actress started to play as Alice, it's honestly making me question her ability to understand what she did was wrong. And reading the character page and to make sure I remember all the details. And what she said to Henry still doesn't invalidate that unlike Henry, what Joey did to her made her start to be insane as a result of how attached she was to Alice, and as for what she made Alice do, there isn't sufficient context, it is likely that she was offered an opportunity to "make up for it" to her, Joey was the guy doing the ink experiments, she was complicit but Joey himself likely merged the two. Now maybe that wasn't what occurred but it's all ambiguous to where I am unsure, Susie seemed like a genuinely good person before the voice actors were changed for Alice, which led to her insanity as Alice and refers to herself as Alice in the third person when she is mad. She was still as manipulated as the others, how she acts to Henry doesn't change how she was more mentally vulnerable and DID believe herself to be Alice. The situation Henry has other than how he was manipulated as well, is honestly different in context as he didn't ever refer to himself as a character unlike Susie.

No to Susie. Alot about the game is still ambiguous to where there are potentially compromising things.

@The Mad Cr0w No the last chapter isn't available. It is likely that Joey Drew may count all things considered up to now, maybe he won't but we'll see.

Edited by Knack on Sep 12th 2018 at 11:39:21 AM

Susie

Her lines "I just wanted what was promised to me" and directly mentioning the studio and henry seem to show she does know that she isn't actually Alice and is just liying to herself. While I agree her backstory is a bit sympathetic her downright sadistic actions toward the others and forcing the ACTUAL Alice(well one of them) into an And I Must Scream fate just solidifies it

Oh well looks like another dud. Though I am looking forward to seeing if Joey will count in chapter 5.

Edited by Kylotrope on Sep 12th 2018 at 11:47:19 AM

The thing is that it is just as likely that is was Joey himself who merged the two and Susie was just complicit. It is ambiguous to where it is potentially compromising, as for her lines about what she was promised, well she WAS promised something that mattered much to her. When she says "I just want what was promised to me" that isn't sufficient to invalidate referring to herself in the third person as Alice all the time and believing herself to be an angel and that Joey was "double crossing an angel". She was promised the role of voice acting as Alice which would help her be Alice as she believes herself to be Alice. She does genuinely appear to see herself as a character. Sure she mentions the studio, but that doesn't invalidate how she specifically refers to herself as Alice and might still believe she herself is the character. Even then she was still manipulated by Joey who created the ink machine to start.

Edited by Knack on Sep 13th 2018 at 12:01:06 PM

Alice's line "I had too..she made me do it" in relation to susie has me still skeptical but I can understand your view. Perhaps chapter 5 will shed some light on the backstory.

No to Susie.

To follow up on Lighty's Sherlock Holmes proposal, by the way? One more for tonight.

What's the setting?

1965's A Study in Terror starred John Neville as Sherlock Holmes, with a premise that practically wrote itself — Holmes VS Jack the Ripper. With a new case of murders on Whitechapel, Holmes and Watson are put to work trying to find the clue of the identity of the mysterious killer. Their trail leads them to the aristocratic Osborne family, where Holmes discovers a large cover-up revolving around their eldest son, Michael Osborne, who's been missing for two years. Holmes starts to dig further as the Ripper acts quicker...

Who is Jack the Ripper? What has he done?

Of course, for a movie with Holmes versus the murderer of Whitechapel, we need to open up in the appropriate way... Jack? Opens up the movie with two of his gruesome slayings, one after another, brutally stalking and murdering two down-on-their-luck prostitutes on the streets of the city. Holmes is put quickly to the test where he bumps into a variety of faces wrapped up with the murderer as well: Lord Carfax, real name Edward Osborne, the son of the Duke and Michael's brother, the police surgeon Dr. Murray, and sleazy tavern owner Max Steiner. Holmes learns, from Edward and Steiner, that Michael was involved with a blackmailing scheme, one engineered by Steiner and Michael's prostitute wife, Angela. Holmes is attacked by some armed goons shortly after he leaves Steiner, but... shortly after, the real excitement begins, as Jack strikes again, horribly murdering another prostitute.

Jack sends the police a letter (the infamous "Dear Boss" one in which he sadistically relished in his killings and claimed he "shan't quit ripping 'til I do get buckled"), sewing fear throughout the city and causing dissent between Sherlock and his brother Mycroft as to whether or not they should publish the letters, giving Jack what he wants. In the meanwhile, Jack pounces on and brutally cuts the throat of another woman, nearly severing the head clean off... Holmes learns Edward eventually acquiesced to the blackmail demands, but his brother remained missing, and the victims have been slain in a manner of someone with at least a modicum of surgical knowledge. Holmes interrogates Murray where he figures Murray knows a lot more than he lets own, refusing to tell Holmes out of some sworn secrecy... and shortly after, Holmes is too late to stop another grisly murder, where Jack ambushes him in the mortuary and tries to kill him as well before fleeing. The latest victim? In such a state it's too horrid to be seen on a 60s screen, the police visibly aghast.

Holmes suspects Michael himself may be behind the killings and goes to Steiner for confirmation, where he meets Angela and finds the true story... Michael is innocent, so are Angela and Steiner, at least of the killings, with the blackmail scheme having been a greedy Michael's idea for a profit and Angela's face disfigured with acid by him afterwards when she tried to leave him. Murray reveals he's been keeping an insane Michael, left as a vegetable from the shock of the incident, in private keeping, and Holmes returns him to his family.

Well... turns out that might have given them more information than they needed. Edward, now with the location of Angela, attacks her in her own home and tries to murder her, stopping by Holmes ("Good evening, Lord Carfax!"). Edward furiously tries to strike him down, inadvertently lighting a fire that consumes Angela and Steiner... and Edward himself, who perishes screaming in the inferno as Holmes escapes.

Any mitigating factors?

Okay, as it's established by the end? Edward's wearing a mask of sanity, seemingly an upstanding fellow concerned with his family name and his brother's whereabouts... but the truth is? He's a complete lunatic and an animal who thought that his brother marrying a prostitute would sully his family's aristocratic name. So? He just started butchering prostitutes, one after another, in the hopes one of them would be Angela and willing to kill countless more until he found his target. As is, and with the remorseless, murderous animal he's shown to be under his mask? I can't give any credit to any hints of decency Edward has before he's revealed, such as his seeming worry for his brother or his amicability with his wife. He doesn't seem longingly rattled when his brother's found as a mute vegetable and instead uses the knowledge he gets of where Angela is to finish his own sadistic crusade.

Standard? The five canonical Ripper murders which were awfully brutal in reality and not dialed down in the least in the film, two more attempted, and a clear willingness to kill as many women as he needed to until he happened to find his target? I think he passes.

Conclusion?

I say keep.

Thoughts?

Edited by Scraggle on Sep 13th 2018 at 1:09:16 PM

And a to good ol' Jack. Kylo, could you please encompass all of the information in your effort-posts? Particularly in the heinousness section. This isn't first time you "forgot" to include something important; in this case, Joey's crimes.

Edited by TheMadCr0w on Sep 13th 2018 at 4:04:40 PM

Yes to Jack the Ripper. Another Jack the Ripper that is.