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Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Well, ostensibly. She got her ass kicked by Raven (the true Spring Maiden), frozen into an ice statue, and plunged down a chasm, but Never Found the Body is in full effect here in a contrast to pretty much every other major death scene in the series.
Yes to the Silent Hill Duo.
The Cinder rewrite looks good.
Anyway, here is the write up for Admiral Ratok:
- Star Trek Hidden Evil : Ratok is a Romulan Admiral who claims to serve the Romulan Empire, but really only serves himself. While dealing with a Son'a rebellion on the Ba'Ku planet, the Enterprise crew discovers the planet is home to a progenitor, the alien race that created most humanoid life in the galaxy. Most of the progenitors were destroyed when they created the Xenophore Seed to improve their lives, but instead it created an endless supply of monsters that turned against the progenitors. The progenitors contained the Xenophore Seed but Ratok plans to bring it back for his own selfish purposes. Ratok kills the progenitor and steals the seed. The Enterprise crew find Ratok's secret base in orbit of the Ba'ku planet. There they discover Ratok has merged with the seed, planning to create an army of monsters to conquer the galaxy, not caring how many trillions they kill in the process. The Enterprise crew find a Romulan scientist named Nadol who is horrified by Ratok's murderous plans and vows to help them defeat Ratok. Ratok sends a monster to kill Nadol for betraying him. Even after the Enterprise crew kill Ratok, the monsters he created continue to cause damage.
edited 25th May '18 10:28:53 PM by Overlord
Alright, all... me and Jackie took this one together. We've got two candidates here, so without further ado I'll take the first...
What's the setting?
RoboCop: Prime Directives — probably our very last Robocop-related media to look at unless we get one from one of the games (the 2003 one, perhaps?) — is a miniseries from the nineties that sought to bring Robocop out of the weird limbo it had been in after 3 with... mixed results. An alternate continuity diverging from the first film, our basic premise remains the same... Alex Murphy, ten years after the first film is a lawman in the futuristic Wretched Hive of Old Detroit turned into a lawman who was sadistically killed and rebuilt as the badass, cybernetic Robocop. Plans for a new Delta City are on the way with OCP planning to integrate the takeover with the new super AI called "SAINT." Unfortunately, there's one other person who's interested in SAINT for other seasons. Our candidate for the night is Dr. David Kaydick.
Who is Dr. Kaydick? What has he done?
Kaydick has a history as a former OCP designer and technician. A former child prodigy and self-absorbed egomaniac, Kaydick developed revolutionary technology for OCP before it was found out he was also indulging on horrific, unethical experimentation on human slaves. OCP terminated him and he was presumed dead for a while. The truth was Kaydick fled to the slums of Old Detroit where he picked up old business... pissed that OCP shut down his experiments? Kaydick comes up with a logical retribution: exterminate all life on the planet. Kaydick developed a sinister virus named Legion that could destroy both organic flesh and technology and plans to unleash it in Delta City to "wipe the slate clean," killing everyone and everything. Along the way, he met a woman named Ann who he develope d a relationship with... with "relationship" meaning "turns her and her friends into slaves through chips he tortures them with if they defy him." Eventually, Kaydick has a daughter with Ann named Jordan whom he secretly implants with Legion, making her a carrier before she and Ann escape.
In the present day, Kaydick introduces himself using his cloaking technology to sneak up and massacre a bunch of OCP workers trying to kill John's former partner, Cable, who was also turned into a cyborg. Kaydick takes Cable himself and implants him with one of the chips, torturing him through it to force him into servile obedience and turn him into his own personal attack dog. Driving out with him to retrieve Jordan — and running over another man in the process — Kaydick manages to find and kidnap Jordan. When Ann and Murphy corner him, Kaydick reveals he's intending to use Jordan to spread the Legion into SAINT just as it's about to be uploaded throughout the entire city, corrupting SAINT and killing everything first in Old Detroit before spreading to everything else. Kaydick sadistically beats his ex-lover bloody, uploads Legion out of Jordan — causing her tortuous agony (she's like ten years old, by the way) — and smugly telling her that she's "all I ever wanted out of a daughter." The upload ends up intercepted halfway through the upload, and as a squad of OCP men arrive led by Murphy's son James (long story there, but he's a member of the OCP here) Kaydick orders Cable to kill everyone on the premises while he escapes with Jordan.
Kaydick infiltrates the OCP HQ, killing two security guards who try to stop him and kidnapping Sara, Cable's cold, ambitious wife who had him murdered him the first place, hostage so he can use her to get into SAINT's clearance room. Hounded by Murphy and his allies, Kaydick takes every opportunity to kill them, even violently electrocuting Jordan when she desperately tries to stop him from beating Ann to death. Upon realizing Sara's trying to lead him into an ambush, Kaydick simply orders Cable to slaughter all the guards she's posted before threatening to gouge out her eyes and murder her to use those as security clearance instead. Despite setbacks, Kaydick manages to enter SAINT's chamber and finishes uploading the virus, beating down the heroes and electrocuting Ann into unconsciousness and sneering to a crying Ann as she desperately rustles her seemingly-dead mother to "give Daddy a kiss!"
Eventually annoyed by Jordan's crying, Kaydick orders Cable to murder his daughter and everyone else in the room... thankfully, Murphy manages to stop them and knock some sense into Cable, while Kaydick is locked in the room with Ann. A final battle ensues where Legion is unleashed on both Kaydick and Ann, causing them to slowly disintegrate. Even in his last moments? An unrepentant Kaydick dismisses Ann as "just a woman" before Ann slams him into the wall, causing Legion to completely disintegrate and kill him.
Any mitigating factors?
With him? No. Kaydick is an arrogant sociopath who brutally abused Ann even while they were in a relationship while having no hesitation in beating her to a bloody pulp and trying to kill her whenever they cross paths in the present day. Jordan? Is similarly a tool. Kaydick's emotions for her go nothing beyond her being a useful carrier for Legion, torturing, manhandling, and abusing her, and the moment she's expended her use? Kaydick tries to kill her. No other things that could even be remotely interpreted as redeeming.
For the heinous standard... okay, obviously he sets it for the series with characters like OCP's president Damien Lowe and Sara Cable falling far, far underneath him, and neither Dick or Boddicker from the first film to which this series is a alternate sequel to coming nowhere near his level either. Really, whatever continuity of RoboCop you're holding Kaydick up to? He passes with flying colors. Forcing a man to become his brainwashed attack dog, torturing and trying to murder his own daughter and wife, lots of varied murder and torture, and trying to kill all humanity for one of the most ludicrously petty reasons I've ever seen.
Conclusion?
One of the easiest keeps we could ever put up from this franchise, and considering all the qualifiers we've had from this series? That's saying something.
Thoughts?
edited 26th May '18 12:20:14 AM by Scraggle
the silent hill duo.
Anyway, I'm taking a pause from the Beck candidates, and now I'm moving on to get another crime-thriller, albeit one that is very unique and quite beloved in Sweden for being so, The Hunters.
What is the Work?
The Hunters is a 1996 thriller about the titular hunters who are doing illegal hunting for money, after our protagonist - Erik Bäckström - has just came home to his original home, a place in Norrland where everyone knows everyone, he has also gone through a traumatizing robbery that happened while he was a cop in Stockholm. Erik decides to continue his career, mostly because it's a place where crime rarely if ever happens. The first day Erik is there, he meets his brother Leif, they share some memories, and everything seems fine. However, something is wrong...
Who is our candidate? What does he do?
Erik's own brother, Leif Bäckström, brilliantly played by Lennart Jähkel, who has to be the most diverse actor in Sweden, playing everything from protagonists in children shows to pedophiles, starts out the film as a fun guy who is happy to see his brother, but from there it all goes downhill. The next day, Leif and his hunter gang are going to a bar with Erik, and this is while they are still on good terms. One of the members, Tomme, starts bullying and raping a Philippine bartender named Nena, but Erik tells him to stop, and Leif keeps the facade as well. Now, this is getting a bit tiring, so let's just get into his crimes.
Other than being an illegal hunter, Leif's first heinous crime was when he killed his own dog Zorro for not following orders, which terrifies Erik even at this point in the film. When Leif is asked about why he did this, he answers exactly that; he didn't follow orders. Even at this point in the film, the viewer knows that this guy is a douchebag.
Near the end of the film, Leif completely loses it and truly shows his irredemability. While the gang is hunting, the aforementioned Tomme shoots at a random time, random spot, which causes a russian berrypicker to die. When they discover it, everyone panicks, and Tomme starts worrying about his family. Leif, on the other hand, while also panicking, isn't near as shocked as everyone else, and just tells them all to shut up so that their families don't get hurt. Leif happens to see an innocent woman (who happens to be the wife of the other berrypicker), so instead of letting her go as all the other hunters have in mind, Leif starts chasing her through the woods and then brutally stabbing, killing, her.
Remember that bartender? Well, she returns later in the film. Erik meets her after Leif and his gang break his car, and she offers him that she can drive him home. They almost start dating, until Leif comes. Leif. Is. Pissed. Off. He immediately starts harassing the two, which comes across as unintenionally funny due to the hamminess of the dialogue. Anyway, two minutes of saying that she's a fucking baboon or whatever, he finally hits her, and walks away. The next morning, while Erik is away, and Nena is home alone, Leif and the gang come and brutally gang rape her, while opera music plays. What happens after this with Nena is unknown, as she just kinda disappears, although many characters discuss it.
I'm pretty sure this is the absolute worst crime in the entire film, however. When Leif learns that his and Erik's mentally challenged brother Ove, who sometimes hangs out with Leif and the gang for fun, witnessed the murder of the woman and told the police about it, Leif takes the gang and confronts Ove, and asks him if he wants to hunt for real (he usually has a hand-made wooden thing shaped as a rifle which he plays with as if it was a real gun, although he has never actually hunted for real before). Ove sceptically answers yes, and they drive him far away from home, deep into the woods. Ove gets to stand at the top of the mountain, where Leif lures him into thinking that it's a perfect spot for hunting. Ove, about as adorkable as someone can get, grabs the rifle and starts aiming. However, when he looks back, the hunters are gone. He continues sceptically hunting, before looking back a second time. Leif and the gang are now cornering him, all armed with rifies. Yeah. He's gonna shoot his own mentally challenged brother. Hell, everyone but Leif looks a bit concerned.
The final fifteen minutes or so mostly consists of Leif manipulating the police into thinking that it was all an accident. And in the end, when Leif starts crying and hugging Erik, and telling him that he's gonna arrest himself, Leif betrays Erik and burns down his entire house, killing himself, and ruining the legacy (every member of their family has lived in that specific house at one point in their lives).
Heinousness
Big Bad, sets it.
Now, there IS a sequel that is almost as good, but no one comes close there. Peter Stormare's character Torsten is a Dirty Cop who frames people for fun, and abuses his own wife and emotionally manipulates his son, but he actually genuinely believes he is doing the right thing with convincing his son different things about his family (such as that his mom is the true "villain"), therefore caring about him. Besides, at the end of the film, Torsten commits suicide when he realizes that he has been doing wrong since the beginning. There's also a finnish gangster named Jari, but basically all of his "crimes" are framed by the aforementioned Torsten.
Freudian Excuse/Mitigating Factors
Now, Leif actually does have a freudian excuse. See, during his childhood, his dad was an utter monster, and he often abused both Erik and Leif. However, not only is all of this offscreen, but I just don't feel it justifies his actions.
As for mitigating factors, in the sequel, it is revealed that Leif has a son who Torsten is taking care of. However, they are never seen interacting and it's never even mentioned in the first film that he has one.
There's also the argument that he cares about his gang; there is absolutely nothing to indicate this, especially since everyone seems to be terrified of Leif due to his ruthlessnes.
Aaand, the thing with that berrypicker, is Pragmatic Villainy. If it isn't obvious enough already, it is clear that he takes pride in killing people, especially since he kills the berrypicker's wife without any sort of remorse whatsoever just like a minute after the other berrypicker's death.
Conclusion
You'll decide.
I thought I'd rewrite Haazheel to cut down on the exposition and get to the meat of his actions more.
- Black Moon Chronicles: Haazheel Thorn, the Sorcerous Overlord of the Black Moon that worships him as a demigod, sends his armies out on crusades of death against the Empire of Lynn. He orchestrates the apparent murder of Wismerhill's father and blames it on the empire in order to bring him over to his side. Haazheel sacrifices thousands of his troops in a futile battle so he can fake his own demise and rebuild his forces at his leisure. Haazheel, who is actually the offspring of Lucifer, plans to bring about Hell on Earth while sending as many souls as possible to hell to have their souls devoured. After obliterating the Empire of Lynn, killing Emperor Haaghendorf, and forcing the faithful few to ascend to another dimension, Lucifer's demons rampage around the world and Haazheel's priests forcibly convert as many people as possible to increase his power, with anyone who refuses being put to the sword and having their souls ripped out. When Wismerhill turns on Haazheel and closes the Hellgate, Haazheel and his forces attack the imperial palace, causing his right hand Lord Greldinard to walk away in disgust from the ensuing slaughter. He personally battles Wismerhill after first killing off all his friends, and even after having been mortally wounded, Haazheel uses the last of his dark magic to curse the entire world by ensuring that the moon will leave its orbit and cause The End of the World as We Know It.
Lighty and myself have discussed Lucifer in passing (he's pretty much on equal footing with Haazheel), but it'll take a while to get the effortpost rolling.
edited 26th May '18 1:50:09 AM by Morgenthaler
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"So, I’ve recently been in a mood of checking out old Sonic fanworks I previously read, watched, or played when I was younger. Through one of these, I found a potential candidate to propose.
What’s the work?
Ghosts of the Future is a fanmade Sonic webcomic starring Silver the Hedgehog. 200 years ago, Eggman and the A.I Nicole (who’s much, much more malevolent than her Archie Comics counterpart) created a mind control device to brainwash Shadow and cause him to go on a killing spree, killing Tails, Knuckles, Amy, and nearly killing Sonic as well for Eggman to get the Chaos emeralds. Sonic, to make sure the emeralds stay out of Eggman’s grasp, warps the emeralds into different dimensions, along with having his soul become linked to the chaos emeralds (basically, Sonic becomes a ghost made out of chaos energy, who can become invisible and intangible). Tikal tells Sonic that they’ll eventually find the right person to bring the emeralds back, since without the emeralds, the dimension won’t be able to be stable for long though it seems that it takes hundreds if not thousands of years before that’ll actually happen. When Shadow breaks out of the mind control and kills Eggman, Sonic and Shadow spend hundreds of years looking for the right person who can retrieve the emeralds. (Why Shadow can’t do it is beyond me, but it’s later stated that his chaos powers are far weaker now that Sonic’s the only source of chaos energy in the dimension so...maybe that’s why?)
We cut to 200 years later to see a teenaged hedgehog named Silver, who works at a fast food joint with his crush Blaze, has been having dreams about that previously mentioned event. Silver eventually comes across Shadow by chance, and Sonic senses that Silver’s the one Tikal told him about. Sonic and Shadow tell Silver how he has to collect the Chaos Emeralds. Silver collects one in the special zone, finding out he has powers of psychokinesis through it. Later on, when Silver is doing homework, reading from the Arabian Nights, Sonic, after mentioning how he’s familiar with the book, senses a strange energy from the book. Sonic discovers that, like before, pages are disappearing from the book, before Sonic and Silver are mysteriously warped into the book. A girl named Scherazarde, creator of the Arabian Nights (props to the webcomic for knowing who actually told the stories unlike Secret Rings) tells Sonic and Silver how, like before, the Arabian Nights are in danger, with a mysterious force attempting to destroy the dimension again. Sonic is given a body again when in the Arabian Nights, and after Sonic reunites with Shahra the Genie (and Silver becomes the master of the ring this time) they find out who’s the cause of this.
Who is she? What does she do?
The Sorceress of the Black Isle is the Arc Villain of issues 4 through 6 of the webcomic. A character from the Arabian Nights previously thought to be dead (presumably made up by the webcomic since I looked it up and found jack shit about this character), the sorceress, who looks like Rouge the bat, uses the chaos emerald that was sent to the Arabian Nights to amplify her powers. She summons malevolent djinn to terrorize the world while draining the Arabian Nights of its life force, making it’s pages appear blank (that or it was a prophetic vision of Sonic’s, since to Silver the pages looked fine).
Two djinn, Uhu the wind genie (who’s physicial form looks like Shadow) and his best friend and loved one Fouh the fire genie (who looks like Blaze) attempted to stop her, but failed. The sorceress imprisons Fouh and blackmails Uhu into bringing Sonic to her, as the seven world rings have became embedded into Sonic’s body. Uhu reluctantly agrees. After Uhu surrenders due to the combination of Sinbad (who looks like Knuckles) and Darkspine Sonic, Uhu tells them about the Sorceress of the Black Isle, so Shahra and Uhu use their combined magic to take the group into the sorceress’s palace.
The Sorceress, who I want to mention was unaware of Uhu’s betrayal, congratulates Uhu for bringing Sonic to her, and as promised, releases Fouh...as a brainwashed Djinn under the Sorceress’s control, who she commands to kill Uhu. Uhu, Sinbad, and Ali-Baba (who looks like Tails) fight Fouh while Sonic attacks the Sorceress (Silver has a minor Heroic BSoD when he sees Fouh due to her looking like Blaze and is unable to do anything for a little while). The sorceress immobilizes Sonic with her magic, and proceeds to speed up the flames of disaster on Sonic’s chest (when he transformed into Darkspine Sonic against Uhu, it reawakened the flame) to painfully burn away Sonic into nothing but bones, taking the world rings that were inside his body for herself.
Luckily, Sonic manages to separate his soul away from his body, meets up with Scherezade again, who gives Sonic the same vase the sorceress used to trap Fouh, so that he can seal away the Sorceress of the Black Isle. Sonic seals the Sorceress after being beaten up by her transformation from the world rings, he and Silver get the second chaos emerald, Uhu does a Mercy Kill to Fouh (Fouh was still bound to the vase, and preferred death over being restricted for eternity) and Sonic and Silver go back to their home dimension.
Heinous by the standards of the story?
About as heinous as Erzaor Djinn is. An Omnicidal Maniac who wishes to destroy the Arabian Nights and all of it's inhabitants, drains the world's life force, and has some additional crimes of her own such as painfully torturing Sonic to death by burning him alive, and the Exact Words taunt she did to Uhu as she had Fouh try to kill him.
In terms of villains in the webcomic, the only villains who come close to The Sorceress of the Black Isle is Dark Gaia (who in the webcomic, is actually Chip who’s simply hungry, and Silver appeases him with a Chocolate Chip Cream Sundae Supreme) who tried to destroy the planet, and the Eldritch Abomination that Scourge works under, whose goals are unknown, but made Scourge’s home dimension an apocalyptic wasteland. The sorceress doesn’t really fall too behind them since she has a similar attempted body count, along with brutal torture under her belt.
Eggman had Shadow kill several of Sonic’s friends, but that’s it. The Big Bad Nicole, who will probably do worse as the series goes on, has done stuff like the aforementioned Shadow mind control (along with doing it again later in the story), makes Metal Sonic maim one of Silver’s sisters Venie, is implied to be responsible for the massacre that took place on the ARK, and takes control of G.U.N making it more corrupt, but she doesn’t come near the Sorceress in attempted body count. The webcomic’s interpretation of Scourge (whose implied to be the Scourge from the Archie Comics looking for the Archie comics version of Sonic to kill) has only done standard villainy of trying to kill the heroes, all of Metal Sonic’s heinous crimes were when he was mind controlled, and Antique, the Moebius counterpart of Tikal, tried to transform Sonic into an Eldritch Abomination against his will, but only to have him fight off Scourge’s boss and she only fights the heroes when they try to save Sonic from her (the ymmv page says that she turned Rouge and Omega into stone, but after I read the webcomic, it’s never hinted that she’s responsible for the gas that did that)
None.
Any other mitigating factors?
Well...we don’t exactly know what her motivation is. We know that she’s responsible for the Arabian Nights starting to disappear and how she intends to destroy it, but we don’t know why she wants this. She actually does start to explain her reasoning, but Silver and Sonic interrupt her by stealing the Chaos Emerald from her. I’m guessing it’s to remake it in her own image like what Erzaor Djinn tried to do, but that’s just a guess.
Still, I wouldn’t say this makes her a GDV since she shows a clear personality (pretty much Rouge the Bat but much more malicious and sadistic) and we know that she intends to destroy the Arabian Nights as told by how Sonic notices the blank pages.
Final Thoughts?
Tentative
edited 26th May '18 1:51:19 PM by Awesomekid42
Let me just do this now:
- Dr. Alexander Isaacs, the Big Bad of of The Final Chapter and the Greater-Scope Villain of the entire series, is an Evil Genius who murdered his kindhearted colleague Dr. Marcus for the T-Virus when he realized its potential as a weapon. Experimenting on the innocent, Isaacs later gained delusions of godhood and opted to release the Virus at large while freezing himself and the few "chosen" in cryogenic hibernation in order to later rebuild the world in his image. The end result was a mass extinction event of the world and the deaths of most of the human race. Isaacs leaves his own clones to clean up, aiming to exterminate any survivors. When he awakens, Isaacs promptly attempts to kill the heroine Alicia "Alice" Marcus as well, intent on maintaining the ultimate power he's betrayed and murdered to achieve.
Kaydick.
Leif.
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Haazheel truncation.
Kaydick and Leif.
Having read the Blackmoon Chronicles I've been wondering about the qualification of Lucifer but I supposed he was too much of an Orcus on His Throne to stand out to his son but all things considered he might been worth a try.
edited 26th May '18 4:18:19 AM by Silverblade2
As Scraggle promised, here's my EP for the other RoboCop: Prime Directives baddie.
Who Is he?
The Motor City Mangler is a cannibalistic serial killer who only shows up in a flashback in Episode 1, Dark Justice.
What has he done?
Having made headlines around Detroit for his cruelty and claiming of more victims, Cable tells a Pre-Robo Cop Murphy while reading the paper that “I don’t know what’s worse. The way he kills them, or what he does to them after.”
About an hour or so later, the two try to capture a runaway dog, but Murphy and Cable end up noticing some human flesh in the animal’s mouth when they corner it in a backyard. Hearing some noise in the basement of the house behind them, they investigate it. There, they find cleavers, hammers, buzzsaws, some human meat in a sausage grinder, bloody clothes, some human ribs in a cooler (along with other bags of human meat), and a still-living, tied up woman in the cooler next to it.
Wanting to get the Mangler for good, Cable heads upstairs to find him watching TV in his recliner. Creeping up behind him, Cable gets to the chair, only to find the corpse of a woman sitting in it. The Mangler appears from behind Cable and puts a knife to his throat, shouting out for Murphy to come out or else he’ll kill Cable. Murphy, gun in hand, searches upstairs for Cable. Now having a gun pressed against his neck, the Mangler promises to kill Cable if Murphy doesn’t drop his gun; he even starts yelling at Murphy when he grows impatient. Murphy complies, leading to the Mangler aiming his gun at Murphy and proclaiming him dead. Cable immediately disarms the Mangler before he can pull the trigger, slams him against a wall, and puts three bullets into his body, killing the bastard for good.
Redeeming Qualities?
None.
Heinousness?
He’s got the lowest amount of resources compared to Kaydick and other villains in this series—especially Boddicker and Jones—and the lowest amount of screen time. But still, I’ve never seen a cannibal in a Robo Cop property. He definitely has a personality, one that is very cocky. Also the amount of bagged meat found in his cooler imply that there were loads more victims before Murphy and Cable came in to stop him.
Conclusion
He’s a surprising keeper. Despite his lack of resources or screen time, the Mangler still manages to stand out as a cannibalistic, cocky memory that continuously haunts Murphy, even after he becomes Robo Cop.
edited 26th May '18 7:43:29 AM by therealjackieboy
It's Spooky Month!

The Cinder add on is getting a bit wordy for my tastes and after talking with Scraggle he whipped up this one, which I think gets the same point across with better flow:
edited 25th May '18 7:59:04 PM by 43110