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Yes to Shiki, because as far as I'm concerned? I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt since his only mention of Roger in the present indicates a grudge on his end. Maybe he actually respected him in the past, maybe not. But personally? I'm not seeing anything genuinely respectful towards the man carrying over by the time the movie takes place.

edited 15th May '18 5:56:02 PM by FriedWarthog

Shiki. I've made my opinion on the whole "Well he doesn't seem to have his redeeming trait anymore" principle known before.

I really agree. Shiki flew over to flat out attack the Marines in rage over Roger beingcaptured. And in One Piece, viewing someone as a 'rival' can practically mean viewing them as a friend. There's not enough malice in Shiki, nor evidence he got rid of that trait.

Nay to Cheryl too.

So, maybe I'm missing something, but can't the "doesn't seem to have the redeeming trait anymore" apply for Dio as well? Last I checked, it was never explicitly stated that he abandoned care for his mother, but we keep him around because he never shown to care for her again since after Dario's death.

Nothing is being missed, we just aren’t being sold on his angsty Say My Name moment invalidating his mitigating respect for Roger.

Exactly, unlike Dio, he's still the same person at this point so it's reasonable to assume his relationships are the same. Hand waiving his respect for Roger is ignoring every implication that points to a genuine feeling.

edited 15th May '18 6:14:04 PM by 43110

I think you're missing my point. I'm referring to the whole "not showing it in the present isn't enough indication that it's gone" thing. We keep Dio around despite his love for his mother falling under the same boat as Shiki's respect for Roger. The fact that he no longer shows care for her but not explicitly stating it has been used to counter that being brought up on multiple occasions IIRC

edited 15th May '18 6:16:55 PM by Awesomekid42

Let me list the differences:

Shiki is, when he is defeated and sentenced, a full on adult in his prime, at the peak of his career. Dio, when he has his care for his mother, is a young man, who gradually evolves into a monster, to the point he throws away his humanity and eventually aspires to godhood where his wish is to create a world where everything worships him utterly. By the time he become s a vampire and more, Dio is no longer the same person he was a long time ago and in fact, displays genuine evidence to contradict caring for her further.

Ok, that makes sense.

Like I said before, don't necessarily agree, but I understand.

I've got a question about the Sleepy Hollow writeup: at one point the character is called Lady van Tassel and another just Mary. IIRC she went by van Tassel and either way, shouldn't we just use one for consistency? Not a big thing but it reads awkwardly and looks like another character to remember.

edited 15th May '18 6:22:07 PM by 43110

Shiki. It still comes as him admiring Roger' power but not really having a redeeming trait.

At least to me

Here's yet another movie I found during my exploration of obscure movies on Amazon Prime. Don't know how many more of these I'll find, but there's plenty of films out there.

What Is the Work?

Jungleground (no relation to the Bruce Springsteen song) is a 1995 action film starring the late, great Roddy Piper.

Lt. Jacob “Jake” Cornel is a cop sent to investigate recent murders of drug dealers in Jungleground, a slum district where crime runs rampant. Jake is captured by a group called the Ragnarockers, a gang of drug dealers who have based themselves off of Norse Mythology characters. Jake is then forced by the leader of the Ragnarockers to make it to his apartment home before dawn… without getting killed by some of his gang members of course.

Who Is he?

Odin (who dresses like Neo and has the hair of Guy Fieri) is the ruler of Jungleground, and the leader of the Ragnarockers, a large drug dealing gang who kill drug dealers in order to eliminate the competition.

What has he done?

Coming into power with the promise of making Jungleground a better place, he decides to use it and its residents to sell drugs and get rich, despite promising to take the area back from the drug dealers who made it the ghetto area that it is. He even has his people take other dealers' drugs. An example of this is the opening, when an undercover cop and a pizza boy are killed in a large explosion from ringing a rigged doorbell.

When Jake and his partners are trying to uncover the mystery behind the drug dealer murders, his partners end up dying in a shootout, and he ends up being taken to the Ragnarocker’s hideout in Jungleground. With Jake all tied up in chains, Odin makes his entrance ordering his men to punch Jake’s face, while he has Jake’s girlfriend tied up and guarded in their apartment. Taking him to his hideout, Valhalla, Odin makes an announcement to his people that makes Jake out to be the bad guy, promising to execute him. Instead, he executes one of his gang members by having him thrown down on top of a spike-covered car; this was because that guy is considered a “traitor” for speaking with an “outsider”.

Deciding to have fun with him (because I guess simply putting a bullet in his head isn’t considered fun enough), Odin gives Jake the task of making it to his home before sundown, promising that he won’t kill him and his wife (he only said that because he thought Jake never had a chance of making it). But, Jake must also get there before being killed by some of Odin’s hunters. And if Jake were to ever escape or get the police to do something about this, then his wife will be murdered. He assigns some people of his gang to hunt Jake down, including his personal sidekick V.P. (who told him that sending him out there would jeopardize everything they’ve planned). With Jake getting a head start, Odin requests his hunters to bring back his ring finger before sending them out.

A little bit in the game, Jake kills V.P. and Dragon’s little brother, Gameshow. When Odin shows up to check on his hunters, Dragon puts a gun up to his head and tells him that he never kept his promise of taking Jungleground back from the drug dealers, and that he's only made it worse. Odin coerces Dragon into wanting to kill Jake, using the death of Gameshow to make him want revenge. Knowing that Jake is staying at the Winchester hotel, Odin and his crew of hunters show up there, attempting to kill him and his new partner, Posie. When Jake and Posie escape, Odin kills Roach, the owner of the hotel, for failing to help him.

He then has his men guard the bridge connecting Jungleground to the main city, hoping to prevent Jake’s escape. With Jake making it past the henchmen, Odin decides to run him over with a car (guess he took lessons from Bison and Shibai). Jake grabs a dazed Odin and puts him under arrest. Odin makes a getaway to the Jungleground, but Jake runs to the other side of the bridge where his apartment is located (cue cheesy Big "NO!" from Odin).

When Jake makes it home before dawn, he makes friends with Dragon and saves his wife. Odin ruins their fun by ambushing the apartment. Odin, talking to Jake on the rooftop, upholds his promise of not killing him before dawn because he’s a man of his word; instead, he has his goons kill him instead. Dragon manages to mess up this stunt, resulting in Jake and Odin kung fu fighting. The fight ends with Jake throwing Odin through the glass rooftop windows into his apartment; this causes Odin’s arms and legs to become paralyzed. When Jake and Dragon drop by to see him, Jake presses his gun against his forehead, while Odin begs for Dragon to save him. In the end, Dragon requests to let Odin live, since killing him would stop his pain.

Redeeming Qualities?

None. Any good qualities he might have is him just being pragmatic (he’s mad at Jake for killing six of his men, but he’s not angry because he cared for them; besides, he doesn't mind killing his own men) or just trying to get people on his good side.

Heinousness?

As the main villain, he’s easily the worst figure. All the other members of his gang are either small fry in comparison, or have a redeeming quality.

Conclusion

A definite keeper.

edited 15th May '18 7:02:44 PM by therealjackieboy

Alright, no to Shiki because of genuine respect in that case but yes to Odin.

edited 15th May '18 7:11:43 PM by Knack

Odin

Yea to Odin

Odin

I'll read Odin's effortpost, but the Springsteen song was "JungleLAND".

edited 15th May '18 7:51:01 PM by ACW

Oops.

to Odin

Yes to Odin...and I think I'll reserve the new Gegege no Kitaro series.

Odin.

Odin.

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Yea to Odin but switching my vote to nay on Shiki

Alright! I got another candidate again. This time it's from an RPG mystery game. I don't think he's necessarily counts but I felt that he deserve a real discussion.....However, MASSIVE SPOILER AHEAD!!!

What's the Work

The Mystery Files of Detective Inaba is a Horror-Mystery RPG game (Well it leans towards the latter actually) that tells us about the adventures of Detective Sogo Inaba and his young assistant, Nina Arimura. Now here's the thing, the game is actually a trilogy. However, the game that I will cover right now is the first one as it is the only one that got translated as for now.

In the first game, the story tells us about Inaba and Arimura being stranded in a middle of nowhere after the bus they were riding got stuck by a landslide and as a result, the rest of the passenger on the same bus have no choice to stay at a mansion in the middle of nowhere. And the passengers are none other than the novelist Shigetaka Komatsu,the carpenter Kenichi Nakaya,the doctor Seiya Harima, the cook Toa Nakagishi and lastly the bus driver Kotaro Akashi. When they're on the dining room while eating some dinners...........Turns out that the bus driver is murdered and what's worse is that they're pretty much locked in the mansion after they trying to flee..........As a result, Inaba then tries to solve the mystery. However, much to Inaba surprises, there's more than it meets the eye.....

Near the end of the game, turns out that Kotaro is actually one of the guys who contribute a lot of the murders that happen in the mansion by luring the bus passengers into the mansion and letting his younger brother, Mister X, murder all of them and in the present day, he killed himself so that he could participate as a test subject for his Mister X's murders.......... And Kotaro is not the one that I will bring today. The candidate that I will bring today is his younger brother.........Nagito Akashi. Or should I say..............Toa Nakagishi

Who Is He/What Has He Done

So heres the thing about Nagito at first. Prior to the main story, his older brother, Kotaro, wrote letters for him. And in one of the letters, it is said that Nagito himself has a fond of literature and crime genre after Kotaro sent a book called Mister. X murders penned by him. Nagito was excited and wanted to be just like Mister. X. As a result, Kotaro then becomes a bus driver who lure the victims into their demise and Nagito mostly does the dirty work by observing them in his own secret room and then kills all of them and after this, he then wrote his murdering experiences in his own novel. One instance of the murders, is that we saw two victims, a mother and a children became a ghost thanks to him trying to murder them while they're still hiding or when we saw on one of his books that he killed some people by strangling them with a tie,chop one of his victims limb by limb, pushing the carpenter out of the window or setting the mansion on fire.

In the present day, Kotaro, being a stupid brother.....Decides to be his younger brother's test subject which he response with joy and then kills himself with a lethal poison. Much to everyone surprises including Inaba himself. In this present day too, Nagito is also disguised as a jovial and friendly chef called Toa Nakagishi. Toa however when we first met him, is being accused as a potential murderer by Komatsu along with Arimura thanks to the poisoning incident given that they are cooking the food after all and then he locked them in the storage room. After they got released, Toa then discovered an armory in the third floor, he then told everyone about it much to Inaba's annoyance as it would also arm the murderer too. In the next day, Kenichi and Komatsu killed each other out of paranoia with the weapon from the armory. And much to Toa's delight, he then took one of the murder weapons and then left it in Inaba's room so that he could framed him once the mystery is solved (This affects the condition of the ending too btw). Unfortunately, he left one of his footprints in the crime scene.

In the ending of the game, after Inaba solved the mystery and found out that Toa is the culprit..... Toa then reverts back to Nagito and then tries to murder Inaba,Seiya and Arimura so that he could finish his masterpiece of a novel. However, Arimura and Seiya fell into the storage room once they're trying to escape from Nagito. In one of the endings, if you only saved Arimura, Seiya then accidentally kills Arimura out of paranoia and much to Nagito's delight, he then mocks Inaba about it being a great twist for his own novel and then he just going to kill Inaba anyway to finish it. However, this triggered Inaba's berserk button because of Nagito being disrespectful to the dead and then kills him and after this he brought Arimura's corpse out from the mansion. Fortunately, in most of the endings including the true ending, when Inaba and Seiya reaches the hallway to escape from Nagito's clutches, Nagito got stopped by the ghosts of his victims and then they proceeded to kill him for good this time.

Freudian Excuse/Mitigating Factors

None that given. He may appeared as jovial and friendly but a dumb person at the first time we met him. But this is just a facade to hide how utterly monstrous and sociopathic he is on the inside. And as far as his relationship goes with his brother, when he was revealed to be Nagito in the end, he actually hates him because his name got discovered. And he does this murders out of his own volition as he wants to be Mister X when he grow up so yeah.....

And if you're concerned if the game is actually a pointless grimdark with no plot. Then no, it still has a plot in a form of a mystery detective genre and Inaba tries to solve what happened in the mansion and there are some heartwarming moments as well such as when Arimura plays a game with the ghost child and in one of the endings where the ghost child reunite with her own lost mother and in the true end, the protagonist still won and go into the next case so yeah.... It has enough plot

Heinous Standard

While his brother actually lures the potential victims to the mansion by disguising as a bus driver....Nagito mostly does the dirty work and then murders all of the victims. So he pretty much mets the heinous standard despite the game is only the first entry of the trilogy. And if you're concerned about the offscreen villainy for the murderers..... Here's the evidence that could put it out of the off screen villainy: The two ghosts that Nagito tries to murder when they were alive hid themselves in the storage room to escape from Nagito's clutches and they are pretty much important to the plot. And there are a lot of books penned by him in both of the study room and the library that he had. Not only that, when Nagito tries to murder Seiya and Inaba.....We saw a lot of ghosts of Nagito's previous victims scattered through the mansion itself and most of the ghosts are killing Nagito for what he had done to them in the past spool yeah....

Final Verdict'

While he is a keep in my book.... I'll let you guys decide about this character in question. If you don't feel he doesn't count... It's alright

edited 15th May '18 11:27:23 PM by ElfenLiedFan90

to Nagito and Odin.

I was thinking about removing Apollyon from For Honor. While she did cause a war and she was indeed a ruthless warmonger, her beliefs came from the time she loss her village from barbarians and becoming the few survivors as a child. This and other future horrors she witness turned her to the monster she became so it also show signs of misguided beliefs. What do you think?

Yes to Nagito.

EDIT: That still doesn't remotely justify her starting a war through increasingly dishonorable tactics, her childhood might have justified it slightly if she didn't take it as far as she did. And considering how she seems to not show any actual connection to her village in spite of her beliefs I think she is more selfish than anything else, and any other horrors she might have witnessed are offscreen and aren't actually described, she tries to make people as bloodthirsty as her as well so ANY justification she may have had is screwed up by her warped ideology.

edited 15th May '18 11:57:13 PM by Knack