During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
@ acw: Please remove the fiveman link since the super sentai page uses the ac separtion. Secondly the ymmv page hasnt been rewritten with Vulgyre's new write-up. Also for The Mentalist pothole Patrick Jane as Guile Hero for me.
to Oswaldo and Scorch
edited 14th May '18 1:13:05 AM by miraculous
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Just want to repost my write-up for Simula.
. So far it has one
and one maybe, and I don't know how many votes a write up needs before it can be added to a page.
I actually find the Criminal Minds quote, a bit kulnky. How about this as a replacement :
edited 14th May '18 4:55:26 AM by miraculous
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Can we remove Loki from Administrivia.Complete Monster? He's such an obvious non-CM that it almost seems insulting to have him there.
Probably from after the first Avengers movie, when at least he was still a bad guy.
edited 14th May '18 7:50:16 AM by ACW
I find Moriarty's entry to be getting needlessly close to 300 words and I find I can satisfactorily keep all his crimes while doing the same thing at 227:
- Sherlock: "Consulting criminal" Jim Moriarty lends his genius to help other crooks commit crime, in the name of alleviating his own boredom and obsessively trying to capture the attention of Sherlock Holmes, not caring who he hurts while doing so. Behind the villains of the first two episodes, Moriarty takes centre stage in "The Great Game", selling out his own clients and challenging Sherlock to solve his puzzles lest bombs he has strapped to innocents—one of whom is a child—detonate, considering the whole spectacle a demented game for himself. When an old woman begins describing the sound of his voice to Sherlock, Moriarty immediately detonates her bomb, killing her and eleven others. Threatening the family members of a jury to force them to declare him innocent when arrested, Moriarty goes on to poison two children, murdering his own accomplice, framing Sherlock for his own crimes and tries to force Sherlock to commit suicide, threatening to have his loved ones killed if he does not. When Sherlock attempts to force Moriarty into calling off his killers, Moriarty happily shoots himself dead to "win" his game with Sherlock. Even after his death, Moriarty arranges a plan with Sherlock's sister to continue forcing him through Sadistic Choices, resulting in the death of more innocents, unwilling to let go off his obsessive chase with Sherlock even with his own passing.
Thoughts?
edited 14th May '18 9:05:30 AM by 43110
Looks good to me. You think it's too long NOW though, look at how it was at one point (the excessive potholing was probably me; the length...wasn't):
- Complete Monster: Moriarity is world's only "consulting criminal", a man hired by various people who need his genius to help them commit their own crimes. Throughout the series, Moriarity turns a dying, old man into a Serial Killer by promising to pay money to his children for each person he kills, manages to sneak the Black Lotus organization into London then kills their leader when she fails in her task, and sells information to terrorist cells. He does all of this to distract himself from his boredom and catch the attention of Sherlock Holmes. In the first season's finale, Moriarity decides to play a little "game" with Sherlock, selling out his clients and challenging Sherlock to solve the crimes they committed. For incentive, he kidnaps people, including one young child, and strap bombs to them. If Sherlock doesn't solve the crimes in the allotted time, the bombs detonate. When one of his victims, a blind, traumatized, old woman only begins to describe the sound of Moriarity's voice after Sherlock solves the case, Moriarity detonates the bomb, killing her and eleven others. In the second season, Moriarity sets about his plan to destroy Sherlock's reputation and life utterly. He has a man that looks just like Sherlock kidnap the seven and nine-year-old children of the Ambassador to America, then kills his accomplice after he outlives his usefulness. He then feeds the children chocolate laced with mercury to kill them if Sherlock can’t find them. In the end, after framing him as a master criminal who committed both the crimes Moriarity was blamed for and the cases Sherlock himself solved, Moriarity tries to convince Sherlock to commit suicide by threatening to set his assassins on Sherlock's only three friends in the world, John Watson, Greg Lestrade, and Mrs. Hudson, if he doesn't. Moriarity was ultimately a man so committed to winning his "game" with Sherlock, that when Sherlock points out as long as Moriarity's still alive, he can force him to call off the assassins, Moriarity responds by merrily eating his gun to give Sherlock no choice but to kill himself. Moriarity was the dark reflection of Sherlock, a sociopathic genius that would let nothing stand in his way to escape from his excruciating boredom.
Looks like Moriarty has his own page.
Got the write-up for Scorch since he has enough votes.
- Ruby and Nora
- Field Trip: Father Tiresias Scorch is a homophobic bat-Faunus who is the leader of the White Fang, a man responsible for turning it into a terrorist organization. He claims to be a messenger of the gods and wants to rid the world of humans and homosexuals. His first act in the story is forcing Ilia to kill her lover, Lily, after they were caught kissing each other. He later finds out about the Beacon students after Adam caught Blake and Yang, after which he orders the teachers to be brought to him to watch the destruction and the students to be killed, promising to show Ruby's body to Yang. He loads bombs onto a train running under Vale to let Grimm into the city to destroy it, while allowing several of his men to die when they go off. He surveys the destruction with satisfaction, but when his plan fails, he kills Ren and Ilia out of spite. He cared for no one but himself and even referred to his own followers as replaceable.

Yes to Oswaldo and Scorch.