During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
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Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
I'll say yes to Hobie.
Now, surprise candidate...
What's The Work?
Time Jam: Valerian & Laureline is a French animated series based on the Valerian and Laureline Franco-Belgian comics. The same the poor movie Valerian and the City of A Thousand Planets was based on. In the far future, mankind has taken its rightful place among the stars, alongside countless other species. To defend space and time, an elite force is commissioned to safeguard the timestream. Humanity's best operative Valerian is on a mission to the past when...he can't help himself and saves a beautiful young woman named Laureline. When he gets back to the present? Earth is missing and he and Laureline attempt to unravel the mystery with Laureline adapting flawlessly to life in the future...and a creepy alien species called the Vlagos is attempting to conquer the universe...
Who is Our Villain?
Valerian rescued Laureline from a nasty noble named Wilfrid de Tancarville in the past. In the future? His descendant, Raymond de Tancarville has risen...a genius scientist, hellbent on seizing control of the universe, Raymond actually created the Vlagos, who answer to him in secret. Using a time warp to steal away the earth, Raymond sends out the Vlagos to brutally subjugate and clandestinely planet after planet with war, betrayal and murder being common, only Valerian and Laureline saving the day on occasion after occasion. Earth is reduced to Medieval Stasis, the citizens forbidden to read or write while Raymond keeps order with an army of mechanical knights that suppress the populace. Valerian and Laureline learn of what's happening and head in to confront them. Upon noticing Valerian there, Raymond punishes earth by having his robots fire upon the hapless town at complete random, heedless of the civilians caught up so he can capture and execute Valerian.
The Vlagos closes on the planets nearby, where he intends to eliminate whoever he has to in order to seize control, when Valerian makes a discovery on Raymond's right-hand woman. The Vlagos have been assisted by the ruthless Pyrna, a powerful psychic woman who turned on her own people and helped the Vlagos destroy and conquer them because the king murdered her parents...Valerian learns the truth: Raymond murdered her parents in front of her, then painfully had her subjected to mind wiping where her memory of the event was rewritten. Pyrna is horrified at this and realizes everything she's done and all the people she's hurt and killed? Based on a huge lie thanks to Raymond whose intentions are "reign over the universe as a God." Pyrna assists Valerian in setting Raymond up when he attempts to fulfill his ancestor's old goal by forcibly marrying Laureline. Laureline icily informs him she'll never be his wife in anything but name. Raymond? Smirks and says after some time in his mental facilities, she'll be the perfect, submissive wife he wants.
Valerian crashes the wedding and he and Raymond square off with Laureline assisting Valerian. Valerian uses a device on his belt to 'jump' from time and place to fight Raymond who syncs his own belt with Valerian's. Valerian gets the better of him by removing his belt and programming a coordinate: after disabling Raymond's return trip, he leaves him....in Mt. Vesuvius. Just before it erupts in Pompei, sending a screaming Raymond plummeting into the active volcano.
Heinous Standard?
Blows it away. Raymond will gladly kill billions or trillions in his quest to dominate the galaxy, kills innocents to make a point, and what he tries to do to Laureline is...well, it's worse than "villain tries to marry heroine" when he tries to rewrite her mind to make her submit, and what he did to Pyrna is especially nasty.
Redeeming Qualities?
HELL no. He's far worse than his creep of an ancestor. Laureline does humorously mutter that evil must be genetic in their line for how much Raymond resembles Wilfrid, but nothing else there.
Conclusion?'
A keep. What say?
to Landsale trio,Hobie and Raymond
Hey guys, Just a heads up...........Due to mid-test that I had in college right now and some of the L Ps aren't continuing the chapter of the game..............I think I will postpone the discussion for Ruiner a bit longer. So yeah, I may not going to discuss the game at October 10th but hopefully I could discuss this game at a later time. Also, I think I have an additional quotes for CM quotes category. What do you guys think?
Yuuto: Shut up, Benio. Close your childish mouth right now.
(Benio shocked)
Yuuto: You are so pitiful, thinking I’m kind and righteous. That would mean you didn’t understand a single thing about me.
Benio: (Shocked) Nii-sama...
Seigen: Accept reality, Adashino Benio. That’s Ijika Yuto’s true nature. He’s always deceived everyone around him
Benio: But....What about the promise? The promise we made in front of Father and Mother’s home!
Yuuto: Father and Mother?
Benio: We swore to become the strongest exorcist. The tears you shed then...Were those a lie, too!?
Yuuto: As if I would look up to two fools who only preached ideals, yet never accomplished anything themselves. And most foolish of all, They died trying to protect you. I have no idea why they expected anything from you, but this is a good opportunity to make one thing clear. Benio, I never once respected you as an exorcist. Our foolish parents fawned over you, and playing the role of a good brother to an idiot who couldn’t see reality was nothing but stressful for me.
Or this one
Rokuro: What...are...you...
Yuuto: I said this yesterday, too...It's easier to achieve my goal with you at my side. If you do as I say—-
Rokuro: If I do that...You're saying you'll spare Ryogo and the others, right?
Yuuto: (Laughs) You're right, I did say that. Sorry though. The truth is, I was just lying to move things along.
(Rokuro looks surprised)
Yuuto: Now that I have the body and power of a Kegare, just like they do, I can steal the spell power of humans and become stronger by killing them. I'll have power surpassing that of any exorcist. And to have that, I need one thing...The spell power of everyone in the country!
Rokuro:You...They'll all die if you do that!
Yuuto:Maybe so. But when you think about what's to come, oddly, it makes the sacrifice at Hiinatsuki seems a bit insignificant, doesn't it?
So anybody has an opinion on these quotes?
edited 8th Oct '17 10:34:53 PM by ElfenLiedFan90
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."Hi, everyone. A few months ago when we added the Elysion from Dragon's Dogma, I remember a comment saying that there's no "the". It's just "Elysion".
I have proof right here
that it is in fact the Elysion. With this in mind, can we please edit the entry to match?
New version: Great Leader Elysion is the fanatical leader of Salvation, a cult dedicated to the worship of the titular Dragon, Grigori. Tearing out his own eye as a young man to prove his dedication, the Elysion masterminds the attacks caused by the Salvation-branded monsters and gleefully sacrifices innocents and his own followers to die in Grigori's name, resurrecting them as undead horrors at his own whim. The Elysion is a coward and a snake unwilling to combat the Arisen himself, and pledges himself purely to appeasing Grigori and causing "death and chaos" to all things.
Anuk-Ite, Fat Boy and Snake, Skunk, Hobie, Raymond
Monroe
Cut Theo and the Darach
Something that's been getting to me... Funatsu's writeup strikes me as way too long for a character with such minimal screen time and it introduces another character as though the reader should already know who she is...
Current:
- Future Diary: Funatsu was only a minor villain, but his actions had led to one of the most horrific events in the series. The second-in-command of the Omekata Cult, when he heard that the cult leaders would disband the cult and have their daughter live a normal life, Funatsu, not wanting to lose power and at the same time gain more power, plotted the parents' deaths by car bomb. He then made the benevolent cult into a Religion of Evil, making himself the de facto leader of the cult while making Tsubaki Kasugano, the daughter of said cult leaders, the figurehead, AKA Sex Slave, by having everyone in the cult gang rape her for the next two years. He also injected her with drugs so she would be unable to defend herself while the cult members were raping her. Funatsu shows no remorse for what he put Tsubaki through, and may have even raped her himself. This all led to Tsubaki losing her sanity, crossing the Despair Event Horizon, and becoming a nihilistic Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds by the time she became the 6th diary holder.
What I'm proposing we chop it down to is:
- Future Diary: Though a minor villain, Funatsu caused one of the most horrific events of the series. Once a member of a peaceful cult based around a young girl, Tsubaki Kasugano, who allegedly had prophetic powers. Funatsu killed her parents when they planned to disband the cult, fearing losing his power. Becoming the de facto head of his reformed cult, Funatsu allowed the members to rape Tsubaki regularly, possibly taking part himself and drugged her to keep her defenseless against their constant assault. So intense was Funatsu's cruelty to Tsubaki that she went insane and began plotting to destroy the world.
edited 8th Oct '17 11:00:27 PM by 43110
Actually while thinking about it CLU could count as Flynn only mentions him being well intentioned but the canocial prequels Tron uprising and evolution paint a very different picture of someone who is a power hungry dictator. I'd need to check to all 3 though to make the case for him.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Having watched all of Uprising (an awesome show tragically cancelled), I really can't say CLU counts. CLU in the series comes across as more malevolent, but he hardly does anything new in that other than talk, act menacing, and threaten to mobilize in a cliff-hanger that goes nowhere. I can still see him as someone who is just following their programming to an extreme.

Oh, Hobie? We've discussed him before... I don't think the discussion went anywhere. I'll abstain for now... the dude sounds horrid (that whole "how many hours will I spend torturing you to death?" sounds pretty unique), but the other current listers are awful in their own right. Lane threatening to mutilate a five-year-old's privates with a potato peeler ranks up there as one of the worst crimes I've ever seen pass through this thread in particular.