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It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Zeg
Was Dan Masamune from Kamen Rider Ex-Aid approved of being a Complete Monster? I'm asking because he was added in the YMMV section with no comment on him being approved.
...Well, it looks like people just aren't following the rules. I cut Masamune and left an edit note stating that there will be no discussion on him until the end of the season, so no one can add him unless he gets approved. If this happens again, I'll probably leave a note, as well.
Sorry if I sounded rude. I understand that there are people who don't know about the thread, but it's still misuse of the trope. And, I'll state it again since I don't want to get in any trouble: Masamune was revealed as a villain more than two weeks ago, so mentioning his name shouldn't break the rule. I'll edit my post if others believe it does break the rule, though.
EDIT: Just looked at the history, and this is the fault of two to three tropers, at least one of whom knows of the thread. Should I name them here or PM someone with expertise in searching user histories?
edited 10th Jul '17 8:19:27 PM by finalsurvivor1
After a long while of deliberating I think I might as well make this proposal now. What I have here is a candidate from the SCP Foundation, SCP-3148
, or more accurately, the infohazardous agent that was documented as SCP-3148 in another universe on a solid state drive that was brought to main universe, the SSD being labeled SCP-3148 there. For the sake of simplicity, I'll refer to the infohazardous agent as SCP-3148 from now on.
Who is SCP-3148 and what has it done?
SCP-3148 is a sentient infectious agent that spreads through propagation of visual imagery. Any physical media that comes into direct contact with infected media becomes infected by SCP-3148. Any electronic media infected by SCP-3148 stored in a hard drive or whatever can infect other electronic media in the same medium. Any human being with access to highly destructive or dangerous items that views media infected by SCP-3148 becomes infected with a sense of paranoia and intrusive thoughts related to the destruction of any serious threats.
SCP-3148 modifies any media it infects by inserting subliminal messages concerning the possible impending end-of the-world scenario and footage of could happen during said scenario. Humans infected by viewing this media will become obsessed with using the most powerful or destructive items they have at hand to neutralize anything they perceive as a threat that could lead to this end-of-the-world scenario, SCP-3148 have effectively brainwashed these humans into believing such things. These humans are can vary from world leaders with access to nuclear weapons, to the SCP O5s and site directors that have control over the containment of highly dangerous anomalies.
Over the course of 80 years, SCP-3148 has managed to infect enough members of the SCP Foundation such that the containment team in charge of trying to contain and that knew what it really is was dissolved by the O5s. The infected O5s and site directors then intentionally release various SC Ps throughout the world, causing untold destruction and irreversible alterations to reality itself, all in what they believe is the effort to avert what they were led to believe is an end-of-the-world scenario. Various SC Ps include SCP-096, the anomaly that causes [DATA EXPUNGED] to anyone that sees its face, SCP-1055, the anomaly that grows larger and more dangerous the more people know about it, and SCP-231-7, the poor girl pregnant with an Eldritch Abomination that can end the world. It took until the very end for the very last O5 to realize that they caused the apocalypse they were trying to prevent.
Efforts by the Foundation to preserve the human race have failed due to all the dangerous SC Ps having been let loose. SCP-2000 was destroyed and a spaceship meant to carry embryos and archives kept by the Foundation, which includes SCP-3148-infected material, entered a temporal anomaly, one of the SS Ds it was carrying sent to the main SC Pverse and labeled SCP-3148 there.
Now how is Alt!SCP-3148 sentient? It turns out through the last addendum in that it included two images possibly not added by the Alt!Foundation. The first image is the agent having displayed satisfaction that the world it infected has managed to destroy itself. ("I won. Give up. Give up.") The second image is a poem basically summing up its modus operandi: lie to its target and, with the use of a little infohazard, the target will destroy itself having believed the lie.
Redeeming qualities?
None. This thing has no remorse for what it has done.
Heinous standard?
Unlike Kalinin's Proposal, which also destroyed the world in a sort of similar manner, SCP-3148 has done the same but with massively less resources. All it had was its infohazardous power to infect others but with a much higher kill count than SCP-993. It should be pretty high up there.
Conclusion?
Should be a keeper.
edited 10th Jul '17 8:36:34 PM by despoa
Were these two entries on Girl with the Dragon Tattoo approved? If so, these two entries are in desperate need of a cleanup:
- Martin Vanger is the likable CEO of a family corporation. He is troubled since his sister vanished long ago. He also comes across as a nice guy and saves the protagonist's life in the movie. In the end, however, Martin reveals his true colors: he is a Serial Killer, who has been torturing, raping and murdering hundreds of women since he was a teenager. His chilling explanation is: "This is every man's innermost dream. I take what I want." Martin suffers his comeuppance, when Lisbeth denies him the same mercy he denied all his victims.
- Martin's father, Gottfried, is an anti-Semitic racist Nazi, itself a horrid way to make a first impression. Gottfried rapes his own daughter and kills at least 7 women in parodies of Old Testament (specifically, Leviticus) punishments. He is also the one responsible for raising Martin into an individual like himself.
Alright, 'Yes' to Zeg, One, and....I suppose I'll lean 'Yes' on 3148 for now, but I'm pretty wary on SCP candidates as a whole, so, not unlike a certain news network, I reserve my right to alter this vote should anything change.
Now then plebs, yet another Bentley Little candidate for ya. Will likely be the last one for now, as I've got a Culture series to read, so enjoy it!
What's the work?
The Disappearance by Bentley Little.
Gary and his friends needed a vacation. Their college classes were just getting a bit too stressful, so he decided to take his girlfriend, Joan, and a couple of pals, Stacy, Brian, and Reyn, out on a little camping trip in the woods. Nothing could go wrong, right?
Wrong, as our heroes wake up one morning having been badly drugged, with Joan missing. As Gary and his friends search for her, Joan herself realizes she's been kidnapped by an insane cult called the Homesteaders. Oh, and this isn't her first time dealing with these creeps OR their leader....
Who is he?
"Father" is the Big Bad of the novel. An elderly, deeply-religious NUT who runs the cult known as the Homesteaders, Father doesn't seem to have many goals beyong keeping his cult trucking.
It's how he members keep popping up that makes him horrifying....
What has he done?
Father runs the Homesteaders with an Old Testament-like rhetoric, but with his own special twist on everything, even a Bible written exclusively by Father.
"If thou children doth disobey ye, ye must stone them until they doth die."
Welp, THAT wasn't in the Ten Commandments.
Living out in the middle of nowhere with his followers, Father has them make their own clothes, have no electronics or modern creations, and has them harvest and farm mushrooms with hallucinogenic properties that he uses to recruit (Read: BRAINWASH) new people into the Homesteaders.
Anyone who attempts to escape is "Punished", and while we never see what this exactly entails, it always involves a WHOLE lot of screaming and pain.
Father is also determined to ensure that no one lesrns of the Homesteaders that he doesn't wish, having any who investigate his cult framed or experience a tragic "accident" ending in their deaths, by using his extensive connections throughout the country.
In just one notable case, a district attorney tried to investigate Father and the Homesteaders and their likely rapsheet. Father responded by having the man's car repossessed, his house foreclosed, and his entire bank account wiped clean. The attorney committed "suicide" a couple days later.
Now, I know what you're all thinking. "Yeah, he's a nasty fellow, but CM levels of heinous? LOL, don't think so, Ravok. You screwed the pooch on this one."
Weeeelllllll.....
See, quite a few Homesteaders are "converts", those who have been converted to the cult from being "Outsiders". But then there are those who have been in the cult their whole lives, called "the Children". Why, some might ask?
Turns out, YEARS ago, back when Father first started the Homesteaders (He's heavily implied to be centuries old, mind), he expanded the Homesteaders by laying with several women (Willingly or otherwise), then raising their children in the cult.
If they were male? Ok, all the better, got me a son to use as extra work force and such. FEMALE? Congratulations, daughter, you're the next contestant on "GIVE DADDY BABIES!"
Yes indeed folks, Father rapes a woman until she gives him a daughter.....at which point he waits until said daughter is a teenager, then rapes her until she gives him a daughter......at which point he waits until said daughter is a teenager, then rapes her until she gives him a daughter.....at which point——Ehhhh, I think you get it.
By the present? The latest generation of Children are HORRIBLY disfigured, mentally slow, and just not RIGHT in the physical or mental sense due to them being the product of.....2, 3, 4, 5......ALOT of generations of incest.
Oh, and Father isn't restrained to his own daughters/granddaughters/great granddaughters. He can and will rape random women he has kidnapped and brainwashed, and one woman who escaped describes the numerous time he did so to her. Darn shame she fell down a flight of stairs before she could testify....
Our story picks up with a group of 5 college students, Gary, Brian, Stacy, Joan, and Reyn, on a camp trip, however, one morning, they wake up having been horribly drugged, with Joan missing.
As Gary and co work to find Joan, Gary's girlfriend, we shift to Joan, who is revealedto have been part of the Homesteaders since childhood until 5 years ago, when her parents fled after Father revealed his intent to rape Joan when she was barely a teen. Joan still remembers how, when they were fleeing, she heard the ear-piercing screams of a Homesteader being "punished" by Father for letting them slip past.
And now? Father has found Joan and her parents once more, and is intent on getting what is rightfully his from Joan, leading him to begin trying to brainwash her once more, all the techniques of which she resists.
When Father finally announces her return to a crowd of Homesteaders, he simultaneously parades the fact that he has successfuly kidnapped and brainwashed Joan's college roommate, with the heavy implication that he has already raped her, all just to mock Joan.
Announcing to Joan that she will now father him a son, Joan resists and openly mocks him in front of the Homesteaders, leading Father to brutally beat her as the cult watches on, then lock her in a small room.....where he has had the corpses of her parents placed to mentally scar her, as she believed her parents were alive. He keeps her in the room with said corpses for hours before removing the corpses to be disposed of.
Eventually, Gary, Brian, Stacy, and Reyn manage to find Joan, and, bringing several police officers with them, manage to rescue Joan, with Father's initial attempts to stop them by siccing his deformed Children on them like zombies being thwarted, leading to Father seemingly vanishing into thin air as much of his cult is found and arrested.
Regrouping his few remaining cult members and saying "AW HELL NO!" to Joan escaping him, Father begins stalking her, eventually setting Gary's college dorm aflame in an attempt to kill him, nearly burning several other students alive in the process.
Finally making his move, Father has his Homesteaders attack the college, brutally stabbing Brian to death before setting part of the college aflame once more to cause chaos while they kidnap Joan once more.
As Gary, Stacy, and Reyn barsly avoid murder by other Homesteaders, Father, in possession of Joan once more, gleefully his plans to rape her again and again and again not only until she gives him a son, but until he tires of her and he just disposes of her.
While Gary, Reyn and Stacy are attacked by more Homesteaders, Stacy having her neck snapped in the process, Father prepares to kick off his rape of Joan, with her only stalling him by the skin of her teeth by vomiting all over herself, which, considering Father's rather large distaste of germs, sends him stalking off until he can get someone to wash her.
Luckily, Gary manages to get into Homesteaders new location by having Reyn start a fire, however, even as Gary releases Joan, the duo are confronted by an outraged Father, who, despite what his elderly appearance suggests, is actually quite the though cookie, as he thoroughly thrashes Gary with a smile on his face, planning to beat him to death then flee with Joan in tow, creating a new Homesteader cult with Joan as his first breeder.
Despite his powerful strength, even Father can't overcome the power of teenage ballsiness, as Joan leaps atop his back and claws at his eyes and hair while Gary pummels his face, ultimately ending in Gary flinging flammable pitch onto him and Joan following through with a lantern to his face, lighting Father's ass on fire as he screams in agony and makes one last attempt to kill them both before roasting away, with his Homesteader hideout following soon after.
The day is saved, and though many got....well, murdered, Joan plans to move on with her life, with her baby daddy Gary in tow.
Freudian Excuse or other redeeming features?
Nothing remotey apparent.
While Father runs the Homesteaders as a polite, if extremely iron-fisted, leader, it's quite obvious that any that aren't complete vegetables from the brainwashing are completely terrified of Father, with Punishments and how he makes....progeny being just some of the reasons he is feared, so despite what he might want new recruits to believe, Father is a barely-contained mass of rage and lust kept in check by his desire to be blindly followed.
Beyond this, nothing more. He uses his children as either more members of his cult, breeders, or just attack dogs, never showing actual care for them as his children, but rather as tools. And though he might at first seem to believe his own rhetoric about worshipping God and living off the land, this is rather quickly subverted when be shows he's fine using technology, banks, and the internet if it's to torment someone who is attempting to track him.
Last thing? He teaches his followers....to not steal. Which isn't a rule he himself ever EXACTLY breaks. So......does a mass raping, murdering, brainwashing psycho who kidnaps droves of people and drugs them into compliance while raping his own children and grandchildren and great grandchildren having a standard against stealing disqualify him? I'll leave THAT up to the thread.
Heinousness?
Worst in-story, behind the Homesteaders and all they get up to.
Is....well, like a said, a mass raping and murdering bastard who drugs and brainwashes people into joining his cult, eliminates any who try to stop him, and rapes his own daughters until they give him more children....who he then promptly rapes, having continued the cycle for decades at the LEAST.
Final Verduct?
Methinks a Keep unless that "stealing standard" rubs some the wrong way. XD
All in all, the most realistic and unique Little candidate yet. Not a Humanoid Abomination, not a ghostly sadist. Just a creepy old pervert who uses a cult he created as an excuse to rape people, with the only possible supernatural thing about him being that he MIGHT be a couple centuries old.
edited 10th Jul '17 11:42:56 PM by Ravok
No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
Zeg. How many deaths exactly is One responsible for?
I'm honestly unsure on Father. "So......does a mass raping, murdering, brainwashing psycho who kidnaps droves of people and drugs them into compliance while raping his own children and grandchildren and great grandchildren having a standard against stealing disqualify him?" I know you're probably joking, but I'm serious. It IS a standard, however fucked up he is otherwise (and he honestly sounds like Craster on steroids).
Zeg, One, and 3148
I'll also give Father a
that "standard" about stealing sound Anjuro's "standard" on people's not picking up their dog's shit when they poop on the sidewalk
edited 11th Jul '17 12:01:47 AM by G-Editor
My sandbox of EPs and other stuffRe Father's "stealing" standard: Huh, didn't see myself debating over this one.
In all seriousness? This isn't redeeming. Father uses a hellton of religious rules to lord over his "people" with no indication he himself keeps them.
The fact that he can and will BEND these rules for his own benefit is explicitly noted as well. Father may not steal the money from your wallet....he'll just steal your credit card numbers, your identity, and yoyr bank accounts to ruin your life. He'll also steal YOU, your clothes, and and anything you have on you, then destroy them so you start out as a blank slate, both in physical possessions and mental state.
"Thou shalt not murder!"
Unless it's a sinner and infidel.
"Thou shalt live off the land!"
Unless Father sends you as a spy into big governments.
edited 11th Jul '17 12:10:15 AM by Ravok
No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!I'll
MA-X, assuming he does indeed have full agency. That last action was pure Kick the Dog.
