During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
to the Asimov image, the Evil Will, the Dark Star, Pepe Wacabrada, Lou Tenant, Gyōkaku Kumoi, Goku Black, Zamasu, Carnage, Kouketsu, the Colonel, Captain Nigel Skane, and Bolge.
to the Vecna video (too long) and the General. A tentative
to Morpheus D. Duvall/Morpheus.
As for Colonel Clayton Box, I'm a little confused on the latest comment here
. What does "another version her" mean?
@Bullman: Happy birthday to you.
Fist list:
- Jackal: Roaming bandit with the usual Rape, Pillage, and Burn schtick plus a pronounced sadistic streak torturing the denizens of the orphanage... he's got little to work with, the guy just runs with a few thugs and almost no martial arts ability;
- Jagi: Hard pass with countless villages put to the torch, women raped and innocents tortured and killed largely fuelled by a spiteful want to fuel Ken's rage. (Of note compare to the likes of Jackal and Bolge, while weak for a Hokuto practitioner Jagi is still a walking death machine to regular people);
- Amiba: Inverting Toki's medicinal martial arts technique as a Mad Scientist seeking to cause the most pain as possible, holding a village to supply himself with victims and doing so out of a want to spitefully destroy Toki's image is a special level of fucked;
- Uighur: He's a warden who literally boasts about torturing his prisoners so much it makes demons scream, casually gives Hope Spot moments to men who had the audacity to be martial artists before torturing or killing them;
- Jako: Mass oppressor and murderer by way of taking over a whole Empire in the post apocalyptic world;
- The General: Fired off the nukes that started it
Ah, Skane. I remember that...you originally mentioned him to me, I read the comic, then just decided meh
(I eventually got Xviar) Yes to him.
The Colonel...was there any indication he was good, or at least not bad, before he saw the decadence of his superiors (who include, incidentally, the aforementioned General)?
If not, I'll give a yes.
Yes to the other two.
Edited by ACW on Aug 7th 2022 at 2:42:32 PM
So, had a nervous breakdown at work the weekend before last, been offline for most of the past week,so I'm sticking to this last weekend.
for Evil Will, the General, Dark Star, Pepe, Tenant, Kumoi, Morpheus (tentative), Zamasu, Carnage, Kouketsu, the Colonel, Skane, and Bolge.
Edited by TellAll111 on Aug 8th 2022 at 12:34:01 PM
Skane, Colonel, Bolve
Unknown, for another version thing of Chevie came from the future where Box won and had created his empire, due to the way time travel works there the indoctrinated version of her memories end up in the original Chevie's head.
"We'll meet again" | 🏳️⚧️Yes to Skane, Zamasu and Goku Black and the Fist Villains.
Sorry to say I can't help with Morpheus. My experience with Dead Aim is mostly relegated to watching the Sphere Hunter/Suzi's video on how the game is absolutely unhinged. I did watch half a playthrough over a decade ago, but I am not well versed in the game enough to really judge if Morpheus stacks up.
I see we're finally getting the CV page up. And you're using the quote I originally suggested back when I thought we were doing the page, so I'm happy for that.
I'm not sure how to phrase this but these people RRR.
Governor Scott Buxton is the monstrous Governor of Telengara and Andra Pradesh, ruling as an effective Dictator. In the opening scene he and his wife abduct a child, Malli, from the Gond tribe for her singing, Scott only stopping a soldier from killing their mother on the grounds that bullets are expensive. On capturing Bheem when he attempts to rescue Malli Scott has him publicly flogged and tortured for refusing to kneel before him. On capturing Raju for helping Bheem escape he has him imprisoned and tortured.
Catherine Buxton his wife is no better. In the opening scene she forcefully buys Malli for a few coins. When Bheem is captured she demands he be brutally flogged, even providing Raju with a whip studded with nails to further hurt him.
- DCI Banks:
- "Aftermath": Marcus Payne appears to be a kind, polite man Happily Married to his wife Lucy, but is in fact a vicious murderer who rapes and tortures teenage girls. Meeting his wife Lucy in a club, Payne sensed she had been abused as a child and formed a relationship with her to make her solely dependent on him, all while beating her for the slightest infraction and raping her whenever he could. Using Lucy to offer underage girls a lift late at night, Payne took four captive, whereupon he raped and tortured them for days; throttled them to death when he was finished; and killed a fifth in the car when she tried to resist. Having a domestic argument with Lucy, Payne attempted to kill her outright by bludgeoning her over the head and, after the police were called to investigate, killed an investigating officer by slashing his throat with a machete and then tried to kill his partner as well.
- "What Will Survive": Maureen and Jason McCready are a twisted mother-son duo who run a human slavery ring. Preying on vulnerable immigrants who have overstayed their visa, the two provide them with jobs in their businesses before kidnapping them and keeping them captive on their farm. They are then made to work in concentration camp like conditions, beaten frequently and starved, with at least one man dying due to the treatment. After a woman called Katrin Vesik realized the duo had her sister and confronted them alongside her autistic friend Robbie, Jason gave chase and, when Robbie knocked her unconscious by accident, convinced Robbie that he had in fact killed her and let him go solely to frame him for the crime. Jason then horrifically buried Katrin alive with Maureen's full approval. Taken into custody after DCI Banks and his team investigated and exposed their operation, Maureen abandoned Jason solely to save herself.
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Other people have already said the 2 love each other, doesn't matter what they do, if they genuinely love each other they don't count.
RIP Kiyoshi Kobayashi.
He played Revi Rah in Demon City Shinjuku here?
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Okay, having read the entire arc, I'm officially abstaining on the Colonel. I know it's not rational, but something just seems...off. Like, even if there's enough for the whole Sex Slave thing (it's like only mentioned in a few panels; then again, the General himself was actually in a few panels, and I don't wanna be a hypocrite), it seems like the whole thing with the General was his Start of Darkness, and drove him over the edge, regardless of what Kenshiro says.
You're missing big swathes of the Golan arc, ACW. Like, huge, huge swathes. Saying the sex slaves only appear "in a few panels" is hugely missing all the stuff that comes before it; we see slaves being corralled, children being rescued, families being murdered...I don't even know where that's coming from, save a misinterpretation.
That said, I'll grant you ambiguity with his backstory, but I stand by what I said in the EP. There's a clear moral equivalence to the Colonel and his decadent superiors by the end, and any standard the Colonel has is at best gigantically hypocritical.
Edited by Scraggle on Aug 8th 2022 at 6:34:38 AM
So the Golan arc starts at chapter 12 and the Colonel only appears at the end of that arc, which is probably why you're confused about his rapsheet?
Like, I understand a bit of hesitance at his backstory, but please bone up on the actual full arc before you go accusing him of not having enough on-page.
Edited by Scraggle on Aug 8th 2022 at 6:36:17 AM
Possibly. Though once I saw he was in more than those 2, I read from, I think, Chapter 11. Actually, I think the end of Ch. 11
◊ is where the Sex Slave stuff is.
Maybe "a few panels" was a bad phrasing. I DID read the full arc.
Though the backstory thing is why I abstain, whether he's a hypocrite or not.
EDIT: That's my bad. There's some more in chapter 12 I overlooked. Interestingly, we don't see the Colonel himself engage in any of it, but I'm willing to give a pass on that since he's in charge of the whole thing.
Edited by ACW on Aug 8th 2022 at 8:49:09 AM

Yes to Skane and here's my final FOT Ns baddie: Bolge.
Who is Bolge?
Bolge is a nobody. In a real odd choice for the final boss of such a long running manga, Bolge was just a bandit with delusions of grandeur and no real ability. Bolge led his forces on rape, pillage and burn all over, before deciding to wipe out Hokuto Shinken and attempted to burn down Kenshiro's home. Kenshiro blinded him in retribution and almost destroyed his head, leaving Bolge mutilated and furious.
The final arc has Kenshiro lose his memories, and wandering through the wasteland as Bolge butchers people in his path. Bolge is really not okay with being opposed, in one such instance being when he takes an entire army, crucifies and tortures each one to death and then tortures the leader to death.
Bat, realizing Kenshiro is in danger, tries to go face Bolge by posing as Kenshiro and is captured...Bolge proceeds to torture him horrifically. For hours. With a power drill, sawing pieces in him over and over again until the real Ken arrives with Lin. Bolge is easily defeated by Ken but tries to murder Lin out of spite...
But Bat manages to intervene and fatally stabs Bolge, sending him to hell at elast.
Mitigating issues?
Bolge has no good qualities.
Heinousness in the only issue. Bolge tortures and destroys TONS of people. It's just a little unclear if he stacks up enough to the biggest guys listed, and even pricks like Thouzer and Yuda hit the standard with their deeds. What steps Bolge apart for me? The torture is unique...Bolge is also just a weakling, not even on Jagi's level and he still gets up to that insane mass murder, plus the worst instance of torture in the whole manga.
Conclusion?
Leaning yes.