During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
That's a yes to Kouketsu. Lemme do one of my own (my first from this series, actually) also from the original manga.
What has the Colonel done?
The head of an organization called "Golan," the Colonel is the tinpot dictator of a small section of country he's cut out for himself, his so-called "Godland." A survivor from before the nuclear holocaust, the Colonel resented his superiors for their drunken decadency, and when he survives the apocalypse where they die, he believes he's been chosen by God to rebuild the world and give it to the strong.
To this end the Colonel decides to build up his new empire on sex slavery. Countless women—even little girls, which especially pisses Kenshiro off—are kidnapped from all across the countryside to become breeding fodder for the Colonel and his men so they can rape a new generation out of them. The families of these poor women and children are murdered; fathers and husbands are decapitated while their daughters and wives look on in horror. And the social darwinism doesn't stop there; any soldier who fails the Colonel's brutal training courses are slaughtered for their weakness.
The Colonel is disgustingly unrepentant of this all when Kenshiro comes to defeat him, and even throws a knife at one of the children Kenshiro has saved, solely so he can backstab Kenshiro when he goes to save her. But Kenshiro, being Kenshiro, saves the day, and explodes the bastard's entire skeleton from out of him.
Any mitigating factors?
Mmkay, I'm not gonna act like the Fist standard isn't goddamned insane at this point, but the Colonel's empire runs entirely on the niche of Human Trafficking, which as we've well established by this point is one of the sickest things you can dabble in within any setting. For as minor of a villain as he is, I think he stands out. We get to see a lot of the horror of Godland and it's made very, very clear his victim count is beyond the pale—special emphasis is put on the fate of the kids, which results in Kenshiro going on a little monologue about how the Colonel's downfall is inevitable because of "the tears of children."
I'm also gonna say while his character page gives him an Even Evil Has Standards moment in comparison to his bosses, I'm calling bullshit on that because Kenshiro does in-universe. He equates the Colonel's cruelty with that of his old bosses, and is totally unconvinced by the Colonel's claims he's a WIE ("you have exchanged one mistake for another")—the manga never rebukes him.
Conclusion?
What say we? I'm not inclined to turn down a child-slaving rapist even with the insane heinous standard in mind.
Edited by Scraggle on Aug 7th 2022 at 8:26:00 AM
Kyoketsu and the Colonel. Having your entire skeleton punched out of your body might be the best death I've ever seen in this thread. It's either that or that guy from a Godzilla comic who was trampled flat by Godzilla mid-gloating rant about how he's an even worse monster than any of the kaiju.
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Be patient it will be added soon, in the weekly swaps to be exact, you can see it already on Monster Fan Works.
I mean sure I don't doubt that each Fist villain is awful but the heinous standard seems high.
Edited by Ordeaux26 on Aug 7th 2022 at 7:17:29 AM
Also guys the image pickin thread
for Comics' Greatest World is open.
I've got a real quick DC Elseworld I wanna do, too, from Superman VS Predator, to sort of commemorate the new Predator movie...
What has Captain Nigel Skane done?
The Dragon to the comic's Big Bad, Dr. Solomon Ward. Nigel Skane is a mercenary gleefully helping to murder everyone in the world with a birth defect, a death toll he's fully aware is going to be, minimum, hundreds of thousands. Ward genuinely thinks he's doing the right thing, for the advancement of humanity. Skane is helping to engineer genocide for nothing more than a payday, confiscating and setting up the technology with which Ward intends to use for global genocide while capturing and trying to kill everyone else who interferes.
The dude's also an attempted rapist who attempts to have his way with a captive Lois Lane as soon as he's alone with her—he's foiled in the attempt. Later on, Skane disarms one of his own men and leaves him for dead at the Predator's hands, intending to let the Pred butcher his mook and swoop in to finish the Predator. Unfortunately, karma bites Skane in the ass; the Predator lets the unarmed mook go, and instead goes right for Skane, and although Skane plays dirty, the Predator guts him like a fish while throwing his mook's own words back at him—"sniveling coward."
Any mitigating factors?
God, I wish Solomon Ward could keep, but the dude has just enough regrets and just enough conviction about what he's doing to avoid this trope, even if the comic still frames him in a totally unsympathetic light. Skane lacks even the itty-bitty redeeming qualities of his boss and throws in some attempted rape on top of that too. Go figure.
Conclusion?
Not an interesting keep, but I've sat on this guy long enough.
Edited by Scraggle on Aug 7th 2022 at 10:13:12 AM
Captain Nigel Skane
Colonel
Kouketsu
Goku Black
Edited by KazuyaProta on Aug 7th 2022 at 11:35:06 AM
Watch me destroying my country

I also meant it in a more general sense.
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.