During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
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- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
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- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
So, the Japanese version of Bayonetta 2 is out, and while I haven't played it (neither version coming to PC ![]()
), it looks like Father Balder had been corrupted, was driven crazy, and has a Heel–Face Turn. I think we may have to cut him. See his entry at Bayonetta.
I actually added Aarfy myself but I'm unsure about him, heinousness-wise. He only has one onscreen rape and murder even though he brags about other rapes, and Cathcart and Milo actually get people killed. On the other hand, Milo isn't really aware he's doing anything wrong and Cathcart's General Ripper nature is Played for Laughs, meaning Aarfy's the only downright-evil character in the book.
I'm gonna say... yes to Snatcher, yes to Silas, yes to the 456. The 456 is an entity, not a species. It is repeatedly referred to in the singular and it certainly has moral agency. It's simply greedy. Good writeups, Morgenthaler. I think we have to cut Walter Bernhard. He's kinda standard and Dracula surpasses him for heinousness. Shyamalan is a cut. Cut everyone but Terridax for Bionicle, cut Czar Baldy,
For Father Baldur, we'll deal with that when the game is actually released. Please don't spoil major game details over a month before it's out, thank you.
Aarfy and the evil princess...uncertain. Here's the ''Akame Ga Kill' writeups:
- Akame ga Kill!
- Syura, the twisted son of Prime Minister Honest who is driven by a desire to surpass his successful father, puts together a group of vicious psychos known as The Wild Hunt in order to hunt down the Night Raid. Syura wastes no time terrorizing the populace in attacks where innocent people are butchered and men, women and children alike are raped by him and his squad. Syura himself treats his 'playthings' horribly with a tendency to kill them, all the while daring someone to challenge him as he is the son of the Prime Minister and thus untouchable. When he actually captures a member of Night Raid, Syura subjects him to hideous torture, including crushing one of his testicles, to get him to speak. When he encounters the widow of a genuine Imperial war hero, Syura wastes no time raping and murdering her while one of his men has her young daughter right on top of the husband's grave. Spoiled, selfish, monstrous and consumed with nothing more than a need to satisfy his own desires and cruelty, Syura is the worst the dark world of Akame Ga Kill has to offer.
- Champ, one of the Wild Hunt, is a clown who was imprisoned for being a pedophile and Serial Killer. During an early raid of the Wild Hunt, Champ notices a little boy and kills a woman trying to stop him from raping him. Champ comments how he enjoys killing the children before they can become 'filthy adults' and later rapes and murders the daughter of a dead imperial war hero right on top of her father's grave while Syura handles her mother. It is revealed that a member of another Imperial Squad, the Jaegers, named Run has joined simply to get revenge on Champ for slaughering his entire class from the days when he was a teacher. When confronted with this, Champ comments he's violated and killed so many kids he can't even remember the class until his memory is jogged. His only emotion is disapointment that them screaming for Run to save them ruined his fun.
edited 29th Sep '14 7:07:24 PM by Lightysnake
31116: I'll do those when I do 31109 (tomorrow?).
And Bayonetta 2's released here in LESS than a month, so I'm not spoiling OVER a month before it's released here
edited 28th Sep '14 11:31:34 AM by ACW
I haven't been able to get the Closer epsiode to work, but I think the wiki gives enough info to create writueps for them.
- Roger Stimple from season 3's "Ruby" a child molester and landscaper who lures prepubescent black girls into his van to rape and kill, and buries them in the park he works at.
- Judd Whaley from season 3's "The Round File" was a manager of the Summerview Senior Living Center, who had a Medicaid occupant die on him, and received a bonus for having a low occupancy rate as well as having a paying resident replace him. Realizing the profit potential Whaley would poison Medicaid Residents with no friends and visitors, and tries to frame a resident who gets suspicious. He expressed nothing but contempt for his victims with his "Who cares" speech, and even has the gall to try to bribe the police to drop the charges and let the witness investigating him stay at Summerview free of charge.
- Phillip Stroh from Season 4's "Power of Attorney" as well as Season 7's "Hostile Witness" and "The Last Word'' is a truly Amoral Attorney who defends sex offenders, but who also happens to be a Serial Rapist. He has his client Chris Dunlap find him to victims to rape, one of them fights back and is killed. When Dunlap is arrested he goes onto become even more brutal, strangling his victims with a chain, and trying to kill a man who witnessed the crimes. When arrested he offers his services to a fellow inmate in exchange to send letters, ordering several murders and threatening the witness.
edited 28th Sep '14 8:25:04 PM by randomtroper89
They were keeps but kept at the sandbox for being poorly written. You can read the orginial writeups here.
Ruby doesn't work? Anyway, I'll submit those on Wednesday. Can I cut Desperate Housewives and Nikita for now so we can be done with TV?
to Silas, Arfy, and 456. Also, awesome write-ups on the Akame ga Kill! CM candidates Scraggle.
I'll also give a
to Archibald Snatcher. Gotta say though, eating cheese to commit suicide? That's... one way to go out.
edited 29th Sep '14 3:14:43 AM by sanfranman91
I'm conflicted about Snatcher, I mean other than his cheese obsession and death by cheese is pretty goofy, but at the same time trying to burn a child to death and forcing him to watch as he tries to kill his friends ? Yeesh.
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."I think we should at least get some votes for Desperate Housewives and Nikita.
Since there as no
's for the Dead Island examples I brought up, here is my entry for Charon.
- Dead Island Charon AKA Kevin is nothing but a heartless monster. An international hacker-for-hire, Kevin is wanted for willingly working with every terrorist and criminal organization, from Al-Qaeda to the Yakuza. During the zombie outbreak on Banoi, Kevin intends to take a sample of the zombie virus and get rich off of selling it as a bio-weapon. He manipulates the immune protagonists against Colonel Ryder White, which get White killed and convinces them to obtain a bio-eningeered super-potent strain of the virus. As it turns out, Charon also manipulated Ryder into betraying his country, using his infected wife as leverage, and after betraying Ryder, states that he should have killed him when he had the chance. When Dr. West insists on creating a cure for the virus, Kevin kills him. Driven by greed and his indifference to human life, Kevin cares not for the millions he puts in danger in the pursuit of money.
I also wrote a rewrite for Victor Branco from the Max Payne series.
- Victor Branco of Max Payne 3 is an aspiring but corrupt Politian of São Paulo, and son of the wealthy Branco family. He is also the hidden leader of the UFE, a law enforcement group he uses for his own ends, and the Cracha Preto death squad and the mastermind behind the assassination attempts on his brothers and abduction of his sister-in-law. His reason for doing so is his plans on seizing control of the family fortune and gaining sympathy for his elections, so he has his brothers killed, one of them burned alive. Victor recruit's Max as a bodyguard but really plans on making Max a fall guy for his criminal enterprises, which includes a secret ring where the poor of Brazil are kidnapped, held hostage and are harvested for their organs for the black market organ trade.
Going to go no with Snatcher. He does sound like a character not really taken serious enough by the work itself. I mean the cheese obsession, the cross dressing, having the name Penelope and the whole death by cheese, it really detracts from the "must be played seriously at all times" clause.
To me, the death scene doesn't really detract from his villainy. It's more like the situation that he's being put in is funny rather than him actually being funny. The repetitive attempted murders of the children and the attempted genocide on the Boxtrolls is still taken as seriously as possible despite his allergy to cheese.
Also, why are we questioning how he died?
edited 29th Sep '14 12:10:47 PM by AustinDR

Something pertinent to this thread; Monster Sandboxes ought to be in the sandbox namespace, methinks.
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