During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
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It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Tentative yes to Fecto. Wow, are we gonna get a Kirby game CM the same year we get a Pokémon main series game CM?
Also, I'll get the others later, but lemme just take care of this one now:
- Lucifer James Leary, aka the Surgeon of Phoenix, is one of the prisoners used for testing at Area 7. Leary's MO was picking up a hitchhiker, taking them to his home, cut off his victim's limbs, and eat said limbs in front of the victim. Leary, who left a piece of the victim's jewelry where he had abducted them, had over 30 kills. When the power goes out and the prisoners are able to escape, Leary takes some hostages, including the Commanding Officer at Area 7; later on, Leary hacks the latter's legs off, with the heavy implication he ate said legs. He almost kills Scarecrow, and plans on "carving up" one of Scarecrow's fellow Marines.
Well, since there seems to be a majority vote on Fecto Forgo so far, let me make my writeup on them.
- Kirby and the Forgotten Land: Specimen ID-F86, aka Fecto Forgo, is the malevolent half of the Ultimate Life Form, Fecto Elfilis. In the past when they were whole, Fecto Elfilis arrived in the Forgotten Land and threatened all life on the planet. In the present, Forgo brainwashed the king of the Beast Pack, Leongar, and opened a portal to Popstar, forcing Kirby, his friends, and hundreds of Waddle Dees into the Forgotten Land. The Waddle Dees were kidnapped by the Beast Pack and forced into slave labor on the top floor of Lab Discovera. Later, they'd have a brainwashed King Dedede kidnap Elfilin and ship him off to Lab Discovera, where Leongar was planning to reunite him with Forgo. When Kirby confronted and defeated Leongar, Forgo grew furious and assimilated Leon along with various mooks into it to get to Elfilin. Once they assimilated Elfilin, they became Fecto Elfilis again and battled Kirby. Kirby soon separated Elfilin from Fecto, causing them to start start melting. Fecto Elfilis angrily takes one last stand and attempts to Colony Drop Popstar onto the Forgotten Land in an effort to kill Kirby alongside them. In the postgame, Forgo split Leon's soul into hundreds of pieces to steal his body.
If there's anything I should add, alter, or remove, please let me know.
Edited by nintendude101 on Apr 8th 2022 at 12:36:11 PM
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Maybe mention the part of postgame where Forgo shatters Leon's soul if you can? That seems pretty cruel. Also, "Chaos Elfilis" isn't Forgo's original name, that's their final form from Ultimate Cup Z
Edited by carduinal-cyn on Apr 8th 2022 at 11:38:05 AM
"I would never consider YOU a waste of personnel." — KawarinoHey, I got another Fairy Tail, potentially, of all things for the Tartaros Arc. Ezel, the Child Slicer.
Who is Ezel?
One of the Nine Demon Gates, the demons crafted from the Book of Zeref by the Dark Mage himself. Ezel is a brutish, violent demon who freely admits he cares nothing for dignity and grace, he just wants to kill things. Ezel is introduced after Jackal, disappointed that he is not allowed to ravage the land as freely as he desires.
Ezel gets his chance soon enough. Ezel is the one to attack an innocent town in search of a Magic Council member named Hogg to silence him, working in conjunction with a traitor named Crawford. While the massacre is not witnessed onscreen, the distinctive damage is shown to be Ezel's, with his telltale slash marks. Not a single survivor of the town is seen. After helping to initiate the plans of the Book of Zeref, to activate "FACE" and wipe out....basically magic users. Fairy Tail manages to disarm it.
And Ezel turns it right back on, pulling a Brock Rumlow. When the youngest of Fairy Tail, Wendy, attempts to help disarm Face, Ezel attacks her and lives up to his moniker "Child Slicer" by trying to carve her apart and torture her to death, as well as eat her best friend, the cat Carla. Wendy goes full Dragon Slayer and annihilates Ezel, who later tries to form a new body like the rest of the Demon Gates. This ends quickly when the room is destroyed, Ezel erased for good.
Mitigating issues?
Ezel has some of the least screentime of the 9, but he's one of the nastiest. His bodycount is on par with Jackal, he tries to personally activate Face and his whole personality is based around violence and bloodshed. He's also got a charming nickname and tries to torture a kid to death and murder her best friend in the process, in addition to exterminating an entire town.
Despite being a demon created by Zeref, we see the Nine Gates are capable of various emotions, honor or even friendship. Ezel is just a violent brute who lives to hurt others.
Conclusion?
Leaning keep here.
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
Ezel. Speaking of which, I wrote up a trim for Princess Ezel but never got any votes on it, so please tell me what you think.
Current:
- Princess Ezel was seen by her subjects as a kind, innocent girl who was unjustly murdered by her power-hungry brother, Prince Vido. In truth, Ezel is the one who kicked off the apocalypse that drives the plot. In the backstory, Ezel began cannibalizing other demons to consume their souls and steal their power. Ezel, unsatisfied with ruling the titular world of KAIMA, repeated this process many times and consumed numerous souls, endangering KAIMA in the process, in an attempt to gain enough power to leave KAIMA and move on to other planets. Stopped by her brother, Vido, and sealed away, Ezel manipulates Illy, who loves her and mourns her supposed death, into fighting Vido. Once Ezel is freed by Searina and Illy, she eats Vido alive before deciding to leave everyone else left on KAIMA to die when the planet falls apart, offering to take Illy with her if she kills Searina, though it's revealed she would have betrayed and killed Illy at some point anyway. A greedy, murderous monarch who hides behind the facade of a pure-hearted princess, Ezel far outclasses her well-intentioned brother in villainy.
Trim:
- The seemingly-kind Princess Ezel, murdered by her brother Prince Vido, was actually a power-hungry tyrant who devoured other demons and their souls for power. Wanting to extend her rule beyond KAIMA, Ezel devoured many souls to gain the power to leave the planet and tried to destroy it before Vido stopped her and sealed her away. Potentially released by Searina and Illi, the latter of whom was her lover, Ezel eats Vido and either makes Illi her servant or orders her to kill Searina, taking Searina as a servant instead should she kill Illi, or attempting to kill them both if they refuse to harm each other.
Also, abstaining on the Kirby candidate until I get the time and money to play the game for myself.
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.- Vol. 6:
- Dante is the leader of the Ninth Circle and is responsible for countless atrocities across the globe. Financially backing various terrorist and criminal organizations, Dante enforces his cruel regime through his Burners, trafficked slaves whom he burns alive until they're in so much agony they can focus on nothing but supporting him. Alongside brutally killing anyone he believes can't repay their debt, he financially backs Moira's brutal takeover of Seattle; forces an island tribe to become an opium farm by burning their leader's face; releases a computer virus that compels people to attempt suicide; and threatens to burn a man's daughter to death to force him to railroad Oliver's trial against him. Even killing his own allies when they've outlived their worth, Dante is one of the worst villains Oliver has ever faced in his decades-long career.
- Moira Queen is Oliver's mother and the architect of his most brutal downfall. Through the loyalty of Cyrus Brodderick, Moira has Oliver framed for the murder of Wendy Poole while actually sending her to the Underground Men, intending to ruin Oliver's life by having Merlyn attack Green Arrow's critics; simultaneously, she hires Eddie Fyers to restart a Middle Eastern war, potentially killing thousands of people for personal profit. Ordering Broderick to begin killing the city, Moira systematically has hundreds of people killed and the economy crashed to take control of Seattle, later scapegoating Broderick when the plan fails. Re-entering Oliver's life and manipulating him into feeling sorry for her, Moira attempts to kill him several times, taking sadistic pleasure when one of these attempts almost kills Emiko instead.
- Eddie Fyers is the psychotic mercenary hired by Moira and Broderick to reignite a Middle Eastern Civil War. Infiltrating the train in which peace discussions are happening, Eddie assassinates the leader of the peace talks, taking great pleasure in knowingly endangering thousands of lives. When this leads to Green Arrow and Black Canary chasing him, Eddie first kills the train's conductor, then floods the tunnel to kill everyone inside and cover his escape. Later resurfacing as one of Broderick's horsemen, Eddie helps crash the city's economy to leave it primed for the Ninth Circle's takeover, gloating to Oliver that he can hear Seattle's "death rattle" while blowing up cars stuck in traffic.
- "Rebirth" one-shot and issue #31: The Auctioneer is the leader of the Underground Men and their Human Trafficking ring. Constantly kidnapping people whenever he can, particularly preying on Seattle's homeless population, the Auctioneer then auctions off his victims to anyone who wants them, knowing they'll be tortured and experimented on by whoever takes them. In particular, he has a monthly deal with the Ninth Circle, giving them slaves once a month for Dante to convert into his loyal Burners. The Auctioneer will also personally keep slaves he wants, keeping Wendy Poole as a prisoner for several months and traumatizing her to the point that she doesn't speak for weeks when she's rescued.
- Issues #12-16: Sgt. Scott Notting is a cruel police officer who becomes even worse after Green Arrow "humiliates" him. Upon being suspended for his actions, Notting forms the Vice Squad, a group of murderous vigilantes who proceed to gun down entire drug houses and biker bars, eventually escalating to the point of massacring an entire prison of people even when their offenses were incredibly minor. Even willing to kill fellow cops when they disagree with his methods, Notting makes several attempts to kill his former police chief, first trying to run him down and later planting a grenade on a hostage to kill them both.
So to others who have played it, does this cover everything?
- Kirby and the Forgotten Land: Specimen ID-F86, aka Fecto Forgo, is the malevolent half of the Ultimate Life Form, Fecto Elfilis. In the past when they were whole, Fecto Elfilis arrived in the Forgotten Land and threatened all life on the planet. In the present, Forgo brainwashed the king of the Beast Pack, and opened a portal to Popstar, forcing Kirby, his friends, and hundreds of Waddle Dees into the Forgotten Land. The Waddle Dees were kidnapped by the Beast Pack and forced into slave labor on the top floor of Lab Discovera. Later, they'd have a brainwashed King Dedede kidnap Elfilin and ship him off to Lab Discovera, where Leongar was planning to reunite him with Forgo. When Kirby confronted and defeated Leongar, Forgo grew furious and assimilated Leon along with various mooks into it to get to Elfilin. Once they assimilated Elfilin, they became Fecto Elfilis again and battled Kirby. Kirby soon separated Elfilin from Fecto, causing them to start start melting. Fecto Elfilis angrily takes one last stand and attempts to Colony Drop Popstar onto the Forgotten Land in an effort to kill Kirby alongside them. In the postgame, Forgo split Leon's soul into hundreds of pieces to steal his body.

A Kirby CM? I’m all up for it!