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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

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#285776: Oct 28th 2021 at 7:36:58 AM

yes to Robot ash

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
Riley1sCool Since: Dec, 2014
YobabyColin Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#285779: Oct 28th 2021 at 7:39:21 AM

Yes to Evil Ash.

Scraggle, is Surgeon General the last Daredevil one, at least for now? If so, mind writing it up this week so I can request locking of Daredevil and Ghost Rider when I submit this week's batch?

I also look forward to one of the Marvel keepers, if its the one you told me about.

Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#285781: Oct 28th 2021 at 7:49:31 AM

Yes to Evil Ash again.

From my Evil dead:

  • Rabisu, the devourer of souls, is a powerful Kandarian demon responsible for the events of the films and the torment of all the victims of the deadites. Rising to see multiple innocents killed and possessed, Rabisu consumes his victims' souls and holds them within his body in perpetual torment with intent to overrun the world and take the souls of all he can.
  • Revenge of Hitler: The genocidal dictator of Nazi Germany, resurrected by dark rituals, shows up as wicked as ever, and powerfully supernatural. Terrifying even the dark gods behind the Necronomicon and the Deadites, Hitler process uncontrollable and intends to take a Deadite army to raze not only only earth but destroying both realms as well, even Hell itself to take over existence.
  • Robbie Dawes is a horror fanatic who feels he is not getting his due in life. Making a pact with the Deadites to see them unleashed upon and destroying the world, Robbie has numerous people at a Christmas event possessed and killed, intending to unleash the Deadites on a class of children so he can live out his ultimate horror movie.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#285782: Oct 28th 2021 at 7:50:45 AM

Yep, I think Surgeon General's the last Daredevil for now.

  • Angeline Kutter, the "Surgeon General," is a Femme Fatale organ trafficker who uses her looks and wiles to select victims, leaving a dozen men for dead after taking their sweet stuff. Kutter's barely stopped from taking a thirteenth victim by Matt Murdock and makes her getaway by slicing up a crowd full of innocents in a nightclub as a crude diversion. With pressure put upon her by her buyers after one failed score too many, Kutter decides to just drug a restaurant full of people and butcher them all for the sake of making up for the lost profit.

  • Thor: Skulveig is the father-by-rape of a Thor rogue named the Flame, whose real name is Hrinmeer. In the far past Skulveig massacred a city of elves and made Hrinmeer's mother his sex slave, relishing that his very touch was like fire to her. Skulveig subsequently raised his bastard offspring under decades of emotional abuse, until Hrinmeer finally embraced the violence he was raised by and slew Skulveig as his first of many victims.

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#285783: Oct 28th 2021 at 7:51:46 AM

Back to Honolulu

[tup] to the Robot Ash and cut the MLP baddies Tirek and Levan, and Cosmos can stay

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#285784: Oct 28th 2021 at 8:05:50 AM

Here's Kutter:

  • Issues #305-306 (with Spider-Man): Angeline Kutter, the "Surgeon General", is a Femme Fatale organ trafficker who uses her looks and wiles to select victims, leaving a dozen men for dead after taking their sweet stuff. Kutter's barely stopped from taking a thirteenth victim by Matt Murdock and makes her getaway by slicing up a crowd full of innocents in a nightclub as a crude diversion. With pressure put upon her by her buyers after one failed score too many, Kutter decides to just drug a restaurant full of people and butcher them all for the sake of making up for the lost profit.

Are we too inconsistent with when we use Matt Murdock and when we use Daredevil?

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#285785: Oct 28th 2021 at 8:07:36 AM

No, they're the same guy and everyone knows it

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#285786: Oct 28th 2021 at 8:09:45 AM

Fair enough. Just wanted to make sure it was only me [lol]

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#285787: Oct 28th 2021 at 8:12:37 AM

[tup] Robo Evil Ash

Cut MLP candidates

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CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#285789: Oct 28th 2021 at 8:25:25 AM

I have always wondered if Tirac was bad enough even with the decapitation threat being oddly serious and explicit as it is his only standout crime.

I can see now that proposing Comic!Chrysalis was a bad choice I didn't fully grasp how sour of a subject MLP was.

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#285790: Oct 28th 2021 at 8:28:41 AM

Yes to Evil Ash.

Scarggle: Fair point on the periphery fandom.

I mean, given that there is a children's book where the antagonist disembowels people and applies boiling tar to their bodies, I would argue that children's media should be scrutinized even more carefully.

KingofNightmares Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#285791: Oct 28th 2021 at 8:57:36 AM

[tup] to Robo Evil Ash

I must say, it's funny how my dad showed me Army of Darkness recently, and then all these Evil Ash incarnations are going up.

"It was the best of times, it was the BLURST of times?"
Overlord Since: Mar, 2013
#285792: Oct 28th 2021 at 9:28:06 AM

Yes to another Evil Ash.

Its been 2 weeks since the second season of Star Trek Lower Decks ended and it features the most evil Star Trek character ever......Jennifer the Andorian!

Seriously no one keeps yet, there is a Klingon captain who was giving tech to the Pakleds that made them into an actual military power and they are attacking Starships because of it, to destabilize the Quadrant but that likely is not enough to count. Besides that Klingon may just be a pawn, someone blew up the Pakled home world and framed a Federation Captain, Carol Freeman for the crime.

KingofNightmares Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#285794: Oct 28th 2021 at 9:49:07 AM

Yes to Robo-Ash 3000 from Space and Scraggle's already touched on it: to me MLP looks like trash and I don't get the appeal but somehow people much older than the intended audience—again, six-year-old girls—get into it and that seems to couple with the thread with fans wanting villains to count for this trope and the fact of the matter is that's a tall order. If this is the kind of work you like, sure, go for watching/reading it or whatever but don't be shocked that it rarely spells out its antagonists crimes with enough weight to make the cut and even for its Vile Villain, Saccharine Show types there's still the matter of baseline heinousness we've gotta be scrutinizing to avoid this trope into decaying with the likes of "Yeah it's barely anything but it's for kids, they should go up!"

Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#285795: Oct 28th 2021 at 9:55:10 AM

[tup] Robot Evil Ash.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#285796: Oct 28th 2021 at 10:21:38 AM

[up][up] Yeah, unless there's some obscure foreign dub or something that makes it more explicit that what they're doing is killing people or will do so, characters from shows like these are generally going to be a hard sell.

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#285797: Oct 28th 2021 at 10:21:50 AM

[up][up][up] I can't speak to any of the other people that were doing these proposals but that wasn't what my reason was (not even that big of a MLP fan) I just did because I thought she could stand a chance which I guess I was wrong about.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Oct 28th 2021 at 10:22:10 AM

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#285798: Oct 28th 2021 at 10:22:32 AM

[up] It's fine. We all have characters that don't end up panning out.

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Lizzid people!
#285799: Oct 28th 2021 at 10:22:34 AM

Michael Myers escaped the fires and went on a killing spree!

So Halloween Kills. Not much to really say about this sequel with nothing mitigating coming up for Old Man Myers. From the looks of it, part of his motivation is seemingly just to return home to stare out his window (or more specific, stare into himself) in the same room he killed his older sister in. The film makes it apparent that Laurie was never Michael's target after his escape (due to Sartain being the one who intentionally brought the two together again...with Michael likely not even remembering her at first).

With my estimation (and some tallying), Michael racks up around 30+ bodies such as making one poor sap into a human pincushion by taking a knife and stabbing it into him only to produce another knife all while his wife is watching and can do nothing about it. He also completely massacres the mob assembled by Tommy Doyle who did beat the stuffing out of him...but they did not use more ammo or tried going for his head...He also kills Karen.

Ultimately, not much to really put into his entry aside from maybe mentioning the mob and killing Karen.

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#285800: Oct 28th 2021 at 10:25:43 AM

[up] Oh, that reminds me. There's a pothole on Monster.Halloween for Tampering with Food and Drink, but since it refers to Halloween candy specifically, I think Razor Apples would work even better.


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