Question. Do Humongous Mecha with the cockpit in the head instead of the torso count? Same basic design philosophy ignored.
Fight smart, not fair.Or the Crotch.
Giant Mechs though normally have camera's in the head which mostly disables them... That would be borderline I think The GM Head from The08th MS Team and the Zeta Zaku from ZZ Gundam is an example of that.
edited 19th Nov '10 9:48:53 PM by Raso
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It's not true, that's why I removed it. The trope is about the placement of the vital running parts, and the irrelevance of the rest of the body, not about headshots or killing them.
BTW, I'm also going to look at the wicks and see about that misuse point.
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.That's not a problem. Gundam is generally pretty good about avoiding the whole head loss=>exploding mecha thing. I was thinking more like Megas XLR (which is a parody) putting the cockpit in the head, essentially functioning as the CPU.
Fight smart, not fair.Wicks so far:
- I Robot: Correct
- Mario And Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story: Correct
- Recap.A Game Of Gods: Just about headshots
- Film.Alien: Correct
- Alien Vs Predator: Just about headshots
- Recap.Doctor Who S 14 E 5 The Robots Of Death: Just about headshots
- Fallout: Just about headshots
- Futurama: Correct
- Heart Drive: Just about headshots, ironic since it's a clear Sister Trope.
- Lexx: Correct, I guess.
- Losing Your Head: Just a listing, so it doesn't have context.
- Mass Effect 2: Just about headshots
- Film.Mega Man: Punching the head off, but still follows the killing more than the trope.
- Characters.Mega Man X: Just about headshots
- Metaspace: Just about headshots
- MS Paint Masterpieces: At least acknowledges the placement of the CPU aspect of the trope.
- Trivia.Paranoia: Just a listing, so it doesn't have context.
- Ratchet And Clank: Just about headshots
- Red Dwarf: Correct
- Red Vs Blue: Correct
- Removing the Head or Destroying the Brain: Seems to think it's about killing than the actual trope.
- Robocop: Correct, I guess.
- Robot Roll Call: Just a listing, so it doesn't have context.
- Characters.Schlock Mercenary: Haven't read the comic, so can't really tell.
- Tropers.Soen: Just a listing, so it doesn't have context.
- Star Trek The Next Generation: Correct
- Star Wars: First part is correct, but the other part assumes it's about killing.
- Characters.Super Mario Bros: Assumes it's about attacking the head.
- Terminator: Context isn't given.
- The Last Starfighter: Correct
- The Problem with Pen Island: Just for Fun use, so doesn't really apply either way.
- Transformers Animated: Correct, I guess.
- Transformers Last Stand Of The Wreckers: Context isn't given.
- Virgin New Adventures: Context isn't given.
Now before you argue that a lot would still count, this trope is where the major running parts of a robot are, and how the body doesn't matter. It is not Attack Its Weak Point, which is what a lot of the wicks list it is. So there is misuse.
I repeat, the title makes this look like Attack Its Weak Point, which is not what the trope is about.
edited 19th Nov '10 10:25:53 PM by DragonQuestZ
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.Well it would of been nice to have said info before 14 people already voted...
edited 19th Nov '10 10:29:51 PM by Raso
Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!The title does not illustrate the trope. It makes it look like Removing the Head or Destroying the Brain But For Robots. That is just a side effect of the trope.
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.I disagree. To me, Head Shots Kill Robots implies "...but they shouldn't", and I wonder why not, and come up with "because there is no reason for a robot to be designed with brains in its head" in three seconds.
Even if I'm wrong, or don't make that leap, reading the article will set me straight. I don't think Shoot the Dog should be renamed because people very frequently add examples of mooks discharging a firearm at a canine.
There is misuse, but not that much, and I don't think there is evidence that the misuse is caused by a misleading name.
edited 19th Nov '10 10:44:35 PM by rodneyAnonymous
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.Yes, that is a textbook case of a name causing misuse. I also disagree that it should be renamed. The name Shoot the Dog references Old Yeller, which is perfect. There are no mindless algorithms, very few rigid rules. "The name causes lots of misuse" is not a 100% surefire reason to rename. And anyway I don't see solid evidence that the name Head Shots Kill Robots is, in fact, causing lots of misuse.
edited 19th Nov '10 11:02:02 PM by rodneyAnonymous
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.When the misuse is directly aimed at another trope (Boom, Headshot!) I think that its a huge reason to rename... That being said I dont think this crowner is going to be that effective thanks to the 10k edits done to it.
edited 19th Nov '10 10:49:54 PM by Raso
Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!I disagree with the Robo Cop example, it's misuse. He's not a robot, he's a cyborg and the robotic parts were built around a human body.
Schlock Mercenary usage is correct.
edited 19th Nov '10 10:55:08 PM by Deboss
Fight smart, not fair.Alright, it's kind of late so correct me if I didn't count this correctly.
DQZ listed 34 wicks. Of these, 12 are correct, 12 focus on actual head-shots, one (Star Wars) is both, 8 are unknown due to lack of context, and 1 is "just for fun".
So, honestly, I'm not seeing a big problem here. Remember those 12 "headshot" wicks are not out-and-out bad use; they are examples of the trope, just ones that emphasize the head-shotty part. So they are not bad examples in the sense that they're using the completely wrong trope or something.
Given the nature of the claimed problem with the trope name, I think 50% of the known wicks involving no headshots at all is clear proof that people are, by and large, not confused into thinking that this trope is exclusively about robots getting shot in heads. It seems that tropers realise quite well that the trope is generally about robots having their brains in their heads, with the current names.
I'm also gonna cry "foul" on DQZ' editing of the crowner here. Unilateral and unsupported. I am going to restore it, with an elaboration on these numbers.
Edit: Ghilz beat me to restoring it.
The clear-cut part, anyway...
edited 19th Nov '10 11:20:30 PM by girlyboy
1. How does it fit how "illustrative" is supposed to apply? And I explained the reasons it doesn't several times.
Seriously, how is it illustrative, when it's not the main point of the trope, but an incidental effect?
2. I already stated why those that focus on headshots are misused (this trope is not Attack Its Weak Point, and the use mistakes it for that), which also relates to why the name isn't illustrative.
edited 19th Nov '10 11:10:35 PM by DragonQuestZ
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.The name is illustrative because the reason headshots kill robots is because their brains are in their heads. This is a very easy leap to make, unless one is insisting on being overly-literal.
Edit: I'd like to also take a look at the examples on the page itself... Most of them seem entirely correct.
edited 19th Nov '10 11:23:33 PM by girlyboy
No, the trope is that robots can function without the bodies. The killing is just incidental. So that is still not illustrative of the trope.
And it seems a lot of the cons you listed are just you disagreeing that the misuse actually fits, which is not a proper crowner argument.
edited 19th Nov '10 11:25:34 PM by DragonQuestZ
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.I listed two cons, only one of which even remotely matches what you are trying to say, and I think even that is quite justified. So I am not sure that counts as "a lot".
A lot of the cons you deleted were all the cons in the crowner. I think I have the high ground in this crowner debate just by virtue of not having deleted all the "pros" (I even added one!)
Anyway, perhaps you should re-read the trope. It is not "robots can function without their bodies" any more than it is about "killing robots." The trope is, "robots keep their brains inside their heads, and this has a number of implications in story-telling, including that robot heads can sometimes function on their own without the body, and that sometimes the only way to kill a robot completely is to shoot its head." That's what the trope description amounts to, anyway!
edited 19th Nov '10 11:31:15 PM by girlyboy
No it's not. That's Losing Your Head Read the description. The "without the body part" is mentioned as a side effect of the trope. To quote
edited 19th Nov '10 11:33:21 PM by Ghilz
Crown Description:

Dont put crowner links on trope pages. We are suppose to no longer do that (hence the repair shop notifications)
I already flagged my crowner, hopefully a mod will come by.
EDIT: Reposting Rename Crowner Link here for ease of finding
edited 19th Nov '10 2:29:44 PM by Ghilz