Ok it was mentioned there is not a thread for Law Enforcement Officers (LEO for short)and other similar jobs for discussion.
This is for discussing the actual jobs, ranks, training, culture, relations to military bodies that exist, and any other variety of topics that can arise pertaining to the World of Policing.
And the training course is finished.
I chose the Battalion I'll be designated to and I am officially ready for and in condition to start patrolling the streets of São Paulo. Next week I'll do my graduation ceremony and fill in the Police Command of my battalion.
The area I chose is know for being fairly dangerous since it envelops a lot of slums and areas where the organized crime is strong.
Still, it an area that is said to be very good to work since you gain a lot of experience quickly and you have a fair degree of freedom to act.
I am still doing the exams for my home state in the Area Battalion that is in my hometown, if I pass all the phases I'll move to my home state with a hefty amount of experience.
My home state is mostly rural areas with small urban centers, think of moving from Detroit to a mid sized city in Arkansas.
Edited by AngelusNox on Nov 28th 2019 at 4:00:55 PM
Inter arma enim silent legesA bit of levity from California: Turkey chases motorcycle cop — and saves driver from a ticket, California police say
Angelus: Congrats. Stay safe out there.
I’ve seen the video in question. I’d be curious to know what happened in the lead up to that though.
Unfortunately a body slam is one of the very few reliable ways to get someone to the ground. That’s considered basic police tactics basically everywhere. The question seems to be whether use of that move was justified by the suspect’s behavior.
They should have sent a poet.Kyoto Police are reporting a scale of shooting/assassination incidents in Kyoto, courtesy of NHK World:
People in Japan are in shock over a violent murder. A senior member of a yakuza crime syndicate was shot in a busy shopping district. And in a country where guns are strictly controlled, the weapon appears to have been an assault rifle.
The shooting happened around 5pm Wednesday in the western city of Amagasaki. About a dozen shell casings were found at the scene.
This is the automatic rifle thought to have been used. Experts say it's likely a modification of the M16. That's a model that was used by the US military.
People who live near the scene said they were worried. A man said, "I'm terrified. There are lots of people around at five o'clock."
A woman said, " What if I had been there? I could have been hit by a stray bullet."
The suspect was arrested in Kyoto, one hour after the shooting. He was surrounded by police vehicles. Then he threw a handgun and a rifle to the ground. He's believed to be an associate of the Yamaguchi-gumi crime syndicate.
The victim was a senior member of a gang connected with the Kobe Yamaguchi-gumi. They're a crime syndicate that split off from the Yamaguchi-gumi. The two groups have been fighting over the past six months.
The Yamaguchi-gumi number-two, Kiyoshi Takayama, could be a focus of police attention. He was released from prison last month, after serving 6 years for extortion.
Police had been on the alert in case the feud between the two groups escalated. They are trying to find out whether the shooting has anything to do with the feud.
There aren’t really that many safe ways to knock a person to the ground, and if someone doesn’t want to be arrested then you pretty much have to go to the ground with them.
Just based off what you can see in the video, my instinct is to say that was an excessive amount of force for the situation. The guy didn’t appear to be actively resisting, but it’s hard to know what happened before the recording. If it wasn’t proving possible to arrest him peacefully then they were going to have to take him down one way or another.
They should have sent a poet.
Having said that, there are ways of tackling and ways of tackling. And, that sloppy, overboard mess would get a red card on any rugby pitch, no trouble.
Heck, it was dangerous for both parties. Somebody badly needs retraining if he doesn't want to do himself a bunch of shoulder and possible neck injuries.
Edited by Euodiachloris on Dec 2nd 2019 at 11:19:58 AM
A broadsides tackle is more likely to hurt both parties than that kind of thing, not to mention you need a good run up for it to work. If there hadn’t been a curb there it’s likely that guy still would have been fighting on the ground.
While this particular body slam does seem inappropriate, the technique has its merits broadly speaking.
They should have sent a poet.
Most departments teach some basic BJJ. It’s more just to understand the fundamentals, though, because when you’re actually in a fight you’re not really able to execute a move the way you can in training.
A body slam is probably the easiest way to bring down an uncooperative suspect, which is why it’s so common. If you do it right you also land on top of them which puts you in a favorable position to effect an arrest.
They should have sent a poet."...because when you’re actually in a fight you’re not really able to execute a move the way you can in training."
What that tells me is that it was badly designed training. The purpose of training is to reduce a complex process to a smooth, automatic response.
I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.![]()
That’s the reality of any training, especially for something like martial arts. Even in combat sports these moves almost never look like they do in practice. That expectation is unrealistic.
Sure, you might be able to execute a flawless single leg takedown on mats with a sparring partner, but against a noncompliant suspect actually fighting back in a street somewhere it’s a totally different ball game. You train to understand fundamentals, not to learn moves.
I’ll also point out that a BJJ takedown on concrete is just as likely to hurt someone as a body slam. The most common BJJ takedown, the double leg, is essentially a tackle. You can seriously concuss yourself even on padding doing it. Fighting is not safe, unfortunately. Someone is always going to come out hurt.
Edited by archonspeaks on Dec 3rd 2019 at 5:57:27 AM
They should have sent a poet.Belated, but much congrats to Angelus!
This is why boxing is considered one of the single most effective martial arts in existence, since it's so simple and intuitive that what one trains can very smoothly translate into actual fighting.
Continuously reading, studying, and (hopefully) growing.
Boxing is good to get someone into a combative mindset, but I don’t think it’s hugely useful for police. Ground fighting is 90% of what an officer will have to deal with, because the end goal is not to KO the other person but to effect an arrest.
Pure boxing is something I’d consider more sport than anything else. For self defense or law enforcement a more MMA-style approach is the way you want to go, you want to be good with grappling and ground fighting, things like that as well. That’s not to say you should neglect boxing, it’s good to be able to throw and take punches, but you want to have a lot of tools in your kit and you want to be able to go to the ground with confidence.
There’s also the optics to consider. You don’t want your officers on video throwing haymakers at someone.
Edited by archonspeaks on Dec 4th 2019 at 1:12:43 AM
They should have sent a poet.Boxing is sufficient for self-defense when going against run-of-the-mill aggressors. In such situations, practically no move is more efficient and safer than a simple jab while stepping backward. Even if it doesn't outright knock out the aggressors, it will almost certainly create some distance between them, which will enable the victim to either follow up with another counterattack or evade from the scene altogether. The latter of which is always the most preferable response, second only to not getting into such situation to begin with. Of course, there are front kicks in other martial arts as well, but they tend to be riskier. When going against more determined and dangerous criminals, well, no martial art will be sufficient anyway. XP
As for whether if it's appropriate for police officers, which is more on-topic for this thread, I agree though and I probably should've thought that aspect through.

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20191120/p2g/00m/0et/058000c#cxrecs_s
An interesting update on Erika's case.