Ok it was mentioned there is not a thread for Law Enforcement Officers (LEO for short)and other similar jobs for discussion.
This is for discussing the actual jobs, ranks, training, culture, relations to military bodies that exist, and any other variety of topics that can arise pertaining to the World of Policing.
Well, that's bollocks. Law enforcement to all intents and purposes herded a panicking, armed idiot towards a residential property and partially demolished it getting to him, causing risk to those inside it.
That's stretching "all part and parcel of the arrest, sir" just a smidge far.
Wal-Mart's goods ain't worth that.
Edited by Euodiachloris on Oct 31st 2019 at 11:34:27 AM
The issue is that there's already precedent against the lawyers' argument. And courts tend not to like going against precedent.
Besides it stopped being about the Wal-mart goods the moment the idiot tried to escape and resist arrest. Especially when he broke into a house and started firing at cops.
The funny thing is that the shoplifter could have only been charged with an infraction or something considering the relatively low value of the goods he stole.
Edited by M84 on Oct 31st 2019 at 7:42:31 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedWe are talking about a Constitution where "freedom of speech" means "spending as much as you like to influence elections" and where "nobody shall be deprived of their liberty without due process of law" means "you have the right to have an abortion", what makes you think that "quartering soldiers" can't include "police officers breaking into your home"?!
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman![]()
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Not an excuse in my book.
There are ways and ways to manage somebody resisting arrest (which people with a strong flight-fight reflex will do, often despite their better judgement).
A fair proportion of the population isn't built for the more common freeze. Police should flipping know that by now. And, chasing the hare isn't the only way.
Edited by Euodiachloris on Oct 31st 2019 at 11:46:56 AM
Actual lawyers tried to make this argument already and failed. So either the argument itself is flawed or these were really shitty lawyers.
If I were to guess, the cops were probably expecting the guy to go in quietly since the charge would have been a very minor one. It'd be like someone willing to kill cops to avoid being charged for jaywalking.
Edited by M84 on Oct 31st 2019 at 7:52:31 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedOr the way the precedent as practiced has started being used is egregiously evading responsibilities enshrined in the Bill of Rights.
Sure, from their perspective, this shouldn't have been a big deal to make a fuss about. But, that hare wasn't coming at it from a "just another day at the office" perspective. Most people aren't hardened criminals who know how the system works.
Edited by Euodiachloris on Oct 31st 2019 at 11:55:27 AM
For those curious, here's the actual court filing (pdf).
It's also worth noting that the police officers of the city who were being sued weren't the ones who chased the suspect into the house. They only got involved after the suspect triggered a burglar alarm in the house.
It'll be interesting to see what happens if this case does indeed get all the way to the Supreme Court.
Edited by M84 on Oct 31st 2019 at 8:01:34 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised
You wouldn't be charged with shoplifting at least. You'd be charged with property damage.
This is why you gotta frame your arguments carefully in the court of law. Exact words matter.
The funny thing is that you could end up suffering an even more serious charge depending on what you broke and what state you broke it in than if it was just a shoplifting charge.
Makes sense if you think about it — you'd feel worse if someone destroyed your stuff than if they just stole it.
Edited by M84 on Oct 31st 2019 at 8:10:23 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedCross-posting from the Military Thread:
The first half of the 2019 National Day parades in Taiwan are dedicated to the ROC Armed Forces.
Beginning at the 59 minute mark, the Marines
demonstrate room-clearing tactics in a hostage situation. Some interesting pieces of equipment used is an explosive mounted at the end of a stick to destroy windows, ballistic shields mounted on the bottom of M P5s, and a special metal detector used to check if a door is booby trapped. It's interesting to see how the soldiers are trained to check downed enemies, furniture, and the hostages for booby traps by feeling around them as they clear a room.
One of the PMESP finest Sergeants passed away yesterday.
Sgt Rua, one of our oldest and most experienced Tactical Force member died due to a gunshot to the stomach during patrol in an armed robbery call.
He was one of the best shooting instructors of the PMESP academy body.
I've got some friends who were his students, they got nothing but praise to say about him and his instructions.
The Internal Affairs still trying to figure out what happened.
Inter arma enim silent legesYesterday we lost a Private Second Class during a shooting exercise due to a Negligent Discharge.
I did the basic with said private and he died because another private loaded his handgun and it allegedly fired when he chambered a round into it.
I and my friends went to the funeral to pay our respects and sadly an impromptu meetup of our basic course happened.
We're still a bit shocked for his death. He was the oldest of 5 brothers and an example of a good soldier.
Inter arma enim silent legesThe Narcotics Control Department busted another celebrity.
Japanese actress Erika Sawajiri, famous for her role in 2005 drama "1 Liter of Tears," has been arrested on suspicion of possessing drugs, NHK reported on Saturday citing unnamed sources.
The 33-year-old actress, who this year starred in a TV adaption of Toyoko Yamasaki's hit novel "Shiroi Kyoto," was arrested in Tokyo on suspicion of possessing ecstasy, although few other details are known, NHK said.
Tear-jerker "1 Liter of Tears" made Sawajiri famous not only in Japan but across Asia with the drama's depiction of its heroine's physical deterioration from a rare disease.
Drug arrests are treated seriously in Japan with celebrities who are caught frequently edited out of movies and TV shows.
The Tokyo police did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Sawajiri's talent agency was not immediately reachable for comment.
As of now IIRC, she personally admitted to using MDMA.
Edited by Ominae on Nov 17th 2019 at 12:44:38 PM

Maybe one should pull the 3th amendment against them.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman