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Ok it was mentioned there is not a thread for Law Enforcement Officers (LEO for short)and other similar jobs for discussion.

This is for discussing the actual jobs, ranks, training, culture, relations to military bodies that exist, and any other variety of topics that can arise pertaining to the World of Policing.

Mars444 Since: May, 2013
#2851: Dec 24th 2014 at 2:43:28 PM

Body camera not being turned on is one thing, although still suspicious, but the dashboard camera not being turned on? What the fuck? Those things have been around for years. They're not exactly old technology.

Also, Off Duty, black cops feel threatened by their colleagues. Sorry for the mobile link (I'm on my phone). So much for looking out for your brothers and sisters in blue. There's also that Buffalo officer who tried to stop a white officer from beating a man who was being detained, only to be punched in the face, fired, and left with no pension for her troubles. Or that black detective a few years back in, I believe, the Midwest who was shot a lot of times by patrol officers and then charged with attempted murder. In that case a lot of the physical evidence, including ballistics, conveniently disappeared.

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#2852: Dec 24th 2014 at 3:23:04 PM

I saw nothing about a dash cam anywhere. Just a comment about a lack of body cams because they are in the process of acquisition and issue. In the article what is described the dash cam would not have helped much to begin with. The problem with dash cams is they are forward facing and often involve a narrow field of view. To top it off there is security footage of the event and from initial reports the kid was armed with a gun and aimed it at the cop.

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Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
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#2853: Dec 24th 2014 at 3:42:06 PM

After watching the video it does seem like the suspect/victim did pull a gun on the cop, if so then its his own damn fault. But those protesters-throwing rocks, bricks and home made explosives at officers just make things worse.

And just to play devils advocate, if the victim/suspect were white and the cop were black this wouldn't even be discussed or noticed nor if the cop in question were black.

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#2854: Dec 24th 2014 at 3:45:24 PM

...Maybe I need better eyes or something, but all I can see is a raised up hand, which could be damn near anything and isn't even pointed at the officer's car.

(Which is kinda odd, because you'd think if he was trying to shoot the officers he'd have it directly pointed at the car.)

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#2855: Dec 24th 2014 at 3:50:12 PM

Nope nope nope. At that resolution I can't even see a fight, much less a gun.

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#2856: Dec 24th 2014 at 4:06:47 PM

Yeah that vid isn't really any good. Too far from the source of the action. It looks like it was shot from one of those corner mounted fixed cameras. Though it certainly looks like the guy raised something up that looks a lot like he might be pointing a gun at the cop.

Having an actual gun in evidence with more evidence tying him to it though would definitely go a long way though.

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rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
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#2857: Dec 24th 2014 at 4:15:40 PM

To me it would appear he's pointing for whatever reason at the woman wearing sweatpants, not at the cops. As for the gun, they St. Louis PD claims he had one, but part of Twitter is calling bullshit.

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#2858: Dec 24th 2014 at 4:22:11 PM

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Not really, you could have all the evidence in the world proving the suspect guilty but those protesters and people like Al Sharpton or the various groups like the black panthers would still think the suspect innocent.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#2859: Dec 24th 2014 at 4:32:37 PM

The article also says a Twitter user duped Huff Post into putting up an article with him being a witness to the shooting, where he claims the victim was his friend and unarmed.

Advice to journalists, don't use random people on Twitter as a source for your article, especially if their name is Jesus Christ in Spanish.

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#2860: Dec 24th 2014 at 4:33:27 PM

[up][up]And you'd have various groups on the Right saying he was guilty even if he was innocent and murdered. Your point?

Oh really when?
TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#2861: Dec 24th 2014 at 4:49:07 PM

Pretty much. Hard physical evidence would not only help provide hard to see details but back up the officers story.

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Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
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#2862: Dec 24th 2014 at 4:49:07 PM

My point would be, that no one will be satisfied guilty verdict or not.

The real sad thing is you'd have oppritunists and pundits on both sides trying to use this to further own ambitions. Al Sharpton and Rush Limbaugh come to mind.

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#2863: Dec 24th 2014 at 5:55:30 PM

Regardless of whether he had a gun or not, I think it is equally damning, if not more so, that the Cops apparently did not, at all, call for medical services. Even if the guy was armed, he should still have a right to an ambulance once he is not a treat anymore, right?

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#2864: Dec 24th 2014 at 6:51:07 PM

Heath: And where are you getting that from?

Ok dug around a little bit. The dash cam was not on because it is wired to the flashers and they were not on. Makes sense considering recording capacity is limited. Not that it would have helped much given dash cams are ill suited to those situations.

Supposedly the thing with the body cam was they have exactly three for all of their officers and had only just started training with them. Guess it is time to step acquisition and training programs so they have and can use them in the field.

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rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
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#2865: Dec 25th 2014 at 10:38:27 PM

There's a third angle, but this is pretty much the best view that's shown up yet so I won't bother with linking that. At 1:19 it appears that he pulls out something, but going by how the light is moving on the ground and the white in his hand as shown more clearly in this gif, it would appear that that he likely had out a cell phone with a lit screen and not a gun.

Also, this selfie of the guy has him using a white phone similar to the white object briefly shown in his hand in the vid.

tl;dr: Something is rotten in the town of Berkeley, because nothing is looking right about this.

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#2866: Dec 26th 2014 at 1:52:53 AM

Sorry not a phone. That looks like someone has a flash light. You also don't point a phone like a gun.

edited 26th Dec '14 1:54:33 AM by TuefelHundenIV

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#2867: Dec 26th 2014 at 2:10:56 AM

I can use my iPhone as a flashlight, actually - has a function for such. And it looks like the same kind of phone that this person used in his selfie.

I dunno why someone would approach people with a light in such a way.

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#2868: Dec 26th 2014 at 3:16:13 AM

I doubt it is a phone. Again you don't point a phone like a gun. You folks are trying to hard to find a problem before anyone with credibility has.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#2869: Dec 26th 2014 at 3:31:03 AM

Sorry, I don't know how one would hold a phone/light vis-a-vis a gun.

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Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#2870: Dec 26th 2014 at 10:06:44 AM

Funerals are held for Officer Ramos with another one for Officer Liu in a while.

NYPD officers are carrying out investigations/arrests to those who threaten the NYPD. One arrest was made to a suspect who uttered threats at the same precient where the dead officers worked in.

edited 26th Dec '14 10:07:21 AM by Ominae

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#2871: Dec 26th 2014 at 10:07:03 AM

I don't think it's a phone either. It is, however, too difficult to make out with 100% certainty what the object is. Coming at it from another angle, however, I am having difficulty thinking of anything that one would reasonably point at an approaching police officer other than a gun.

edited 26th Dec '14 10:07:40 AM by TobiasDrake

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#2872: Dec 26th 2014 at 10:21:26 AM

If it was indeed a firearm, couldn't the police show pictures of it at the scene to the public? I mean sure some people would call it a case of planted evidence but it would still strengthen their case.

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#2873: Dec 26th 2014 at 10:23:33 AM

There was some picture set showing that the firearm didn't appear by the body until an hour or so later but I'm hesitant to trust it.

Oh really when?
TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#2874: Dec 26th 2014 at 11:01:13 AM

Cops don't carry evidence tags in their cars and that those tags don't pop up by themselves instantly. If they have to call someone to come out to them it can take time. This isn't CSI where ring ring something happened and 30 minutes later the crime is solved.

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Gabrael from My musings Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#2875: Dec 26th 2014 at 12:09:53 PM

Guys, evidence can only be evidence if it isn't contaminated in the public view.

It's not their job to make people happy, it's their job to have a clean and unbiased investigation.

So no, they will not release photos or alternative video right away because they need that to determine how the case should go.

Only when the case is established and charges are clear (if applicable) should they release any different information.

Remember, innocent until proven guilty is also to protect the case of the person shot.

Of course, this is the procedure and ideal. It hasn't been happening much and that pisses me off. We have good rules that can work very well if people would just follow them. (people meaning everyone, civilian, law, news, etc.)

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