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RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona
Jesus as in Revelations
RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona
Jesus as in Revelations
Jul 16th 2010 at 4:54:49 AM

Sorry, I forgot to add it... I was just so dumbstruck...

I mean...

Twilight

Rational...

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edited 16th Jul '10 4:55:34 AM by RawPower

'''YOU SEE THIS DOG I'M PETTING? THAT WAS COURAGE WOLF.Cute, isn't he?
Jul 16th 2010 at 5:07:56 AM

I think the idea is that this person is trying to rewrite Twilight to make it make sense. A noble, but likely futile goal.

The man was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor and the Nobel Peace Prize. He was the best at both killing and not killing - Stranger
Jul 16th 2010 at 2:12:43 PM

seriously, though. let's think about this. what could actually make a rational teenage girl throw herself at a guy who really only wants to eat her for food and acts like a total douchey stalker?

Jul 16th 2010 at 3:29:13 PM

what could actually make a rational teenage girl throw herself at a guy who really only wants to eat her for food and acts like a total douchey stalker?

If I were you, I'd refrain from making assumptions as to how this is going to play out.

I will keep my soul in a place out of sight, Far off, where the pulse of it is not heard.
Jul 16th 2010 at 4:21:42 PM

well, yeah, i'm just saying that in order for a character tweak to happen at all, the entire plot would have to change drastically. to the point where it might become Twilight: Bella the Vampire Hunter or something.

RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona
Jesus as in Revelations
Jul 18th 2010 at 7:41:00 AM

No matter how Rational you are, your decisions ares still purely emotionally driven once you get down to it, and if you are passionate enough about something the willpower might blow all common sense to smithereens. You can als still make mistakes and miscalculate.

However, from a purely materialistic POV (=/= rational), what is wrong with becoming a rich, strong, eternally young, superpowered, Nigh Immortal being? Surely, there are many restrictions, and the whole bloodlust thing can be highly problematic as anyone who has played Vampire The Maskerade or Vampire The Requiem can tell (although Our Vampires Are Different), but I can't tell what's wrong about taking advantage of being a Psychic Static and incredibly hot to this particular guy with lots of Resources and a very interesting virus to pass on. If you love him, then all is bliss. If you hate him, you can always brutally dismember him and his family afterwards using your newborn strenght, and then call dibs on their stuff.

'''YOU SEE THIS DOG I'M PETTING? THAT WAS COURAGE WOLF.Cute, isn't he?
Indeed
Jul 20th 2010 at 1:06:50 AM

So... is this any good? If it is, I might actually read Twilight so I can read this.

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Ponicalica from facing Buttercup
Jul 20th 2010 at 4:46:07 AM

From what I understand, this fic, like Harry Potter And The Methods Of Rationality, is attempting to be readable both to people who have read the books and people who haven't.

the future we had hoped for
RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona
Jesus as in Revelations
Jul 20th 2010 at 10:24:20 AM

^^ You don't need to read the books, but the appeal is mostly in the contrast, so I recommend you read the original. In both cases.

'''YOU SEE THIS DOG I'M PETTING? THAT WAS COURAGE WOLF.Cute, isn't he?
RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona
Jesus as in Revelations
Sep 28th 2010 at 5:44:18 PM

I HAVE BEEN READING THIS AND IT IS AWESOME!!! SO SO SOOOOOOOOOO MUCH BETTER THAN THE ORIGINAL! AND HOT, TOO! HOLY SHIT, BEING RATIONAL AND HORNY AS HELL WORKS.

TT_TT THIS IS—- WONDERFUL—-

'''YOU SEE THIS DOG I'M PETTING? THAT WAS COURAGE WOLF.Cute, isn't he?
RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona
Jesus as in Revelations
Sep 28th 2010 at 5:58:07 PM

I HAVE BEEN READING THIS AND IT IS AWESOME!!! SO SO SOOOOOOOOOO MUCH BETTER THAN THE ORIGINAL! AND HOT, TOO! HOLY SHIT, BEING RATIONAL AND HORNY AS HELL WORKS.

TT_TT THIS IS—- WONDERFUL—-

Chapter 40: THE CAKE IS A LIE!!!

'''YOU SEE THIS DOG I'M PETTING? THAT WAS COURAGE WOLF.Cute, isn't he?
RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona
Jesus as in Revelations
Sep 29th 2010 at 5:47:29 AM

Only one sentence is dedicated to Edward and Bella's honeymoon:

edited 29th Sep '10 5:47:40 AM by RawPower

'''YOU SEE THIS DOG I'M PETTING? THAT WAS COURAGE WOLF.Cute, isn't he?
LullTheConqueror Love Freak from eternal loli Hell
Sep 29th 2010 at 5:54:36 AM

Damn, I need to catch up with this. It was still on chapter 29 when I read through it, and I haven't checked back for a while.

But I'll say that I've never read Twilight either, and yet I had no problem getting into this fic. Really, I've heard enough about it on the Internet that it still felt like I was re-exploring familiar territory from a radically different perspective, much like Methods of Rationality.

And if a rational person were to learn that vampires were real, I wouldn't consider them worthy of the descriptor if they didn't want to become one. Being a vampire very nearly completely dominates not being a vampire (particularly in the Twilight verse, where sunlight doesn't even hurt them), and all the points where being human wins out are relatively trivial.

edited 29th Sep '10 5:55:07 AM by LullTheConqueror

the dice are loaded, the deck is stacked, the game itself will hold you back
RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona
Jesus as in Revelations
Sep 29th 2010 at 6:00:07 AM

Being a World Of Darkness vampire, on the other hand, universally sucks, at least as far as the fluff is concerned.

The end of chapter 32 had me take a Spit Take on behalf of Aro.

edited 29th Sep '10 6:08:01 AM by RawPower

'''YOU SEE THIS DOG I'M PETTING? THAT WAS COURAGE WOLF.Cute, isn't he?
LullTheConqueror Love Freak from eternal loli Hell
Sep 29th 2010 at 6:02:16 AM

I think the Embrace screws with their brain chemistry. I mean, humans are pretty damned angsty as a species, but we've got nothing on WoD vampires. Someone needs to invent vampire Prozac.

edited 29th Sep '10 6:02:40 AM by LullTheConqueror

the dice are loaded, the deck is stacked, the game itself will hold you back
RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona
Jesus as in Revelations
Sep 29th 2010 at 6:10:22 AM

I've been reading The Requiem and frankly it's so ridiculously dark. "IN THE GRIM DARKNESS OF A VAMPIRE'S REQUIEM THERE IS NO HOPE FOR REDEMPTION, THERE IS NO RESPITE FROM THE BEAST, THERE IS ONLY THE DANSE MACABRE, AND THE LAUGHTER OF THIRSTING ELDERS"

edited 29th Sep '10 6:10:54 AM by RawPower

'''YOU SEE THIS DOG I'M PETTING? THAT WAS COURAGE WOLF.Cute, isn't he?
Taelor Don't Forget To Smile from The Paths of Spite
Don't Forget To Smile
Sep 29th 2010 at 7:58:25 AM

^^^ I think just being alive in the World Of Darkness universally sucks.

The Philosopher-King Paradox
RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona
Jesus as in Revelations
Sep 29th 2010 at 8:06:40 AM

Or undead. Or dead. Or unalive. Or something else entirely.

edited 29th Sep '10 8:06:59 AM by RawPower

'''YOU SEE THIS DOG I'M PETTING? THAT WAS COURAGE WOLF.Cute, isn't he?
RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona
Jesus as in Revelations
Sep 29th 2010 at 3:02:40 PM

As of now if turnings keep expanding like this this story is going to quickly turn into Dance In The Vampire Bund

'''YOU SEE THIS DOG I'M PETTING? THAT WAS COURAGE WOLF.Cute, isn't he?
Oct 1st 2010 at 1:30:45 AM

When dealing with transhumanism, text media doesn't usually do a very good job of describing people's capabilities in their new bodies and minds.

It's odd to find an exception in a Twilight fic.

I will keep my soul in a place out of sight, Far off, where the pulse of it is not heard.
RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona
Jesus as in Revelations
Oct 1st 2010 at 2:35:24 AM

Hey, I didn't think of it that way! To me, Transhumanism is associated with cybernetics, but yeah, vampirism is also an option. She certainly did a wonderful job of describing the thirst. That was frightening.

But, see, what worries me is this: you can't turn all of humanity as things are: there simply aren't enough resources! Bella eats one full orca every week! Emmet eats BEARS!

'''YOU SEE THIS DOG I'M PETTING? THAT WAS COURAGE WOLF.Cute, isn't he?
Korgmeister Sapient Blob of Tofu from Zimbabwe
Sapient Blob of Tofu
Oct 1st 2010 at 3:02:51 AM

So is this written by Eliezer Yudkowsky or not?

EDIT: Oh wait, I know why the name is familiar now, it's another regular Less Wrong contributor.

edited 1st Oct '10 3:04:02 AM by Korgmeister

Again with the data mining, dear Aunt?
RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona
Jesus as in Revelations
Oct 1st 2010 at 3:40:09 AM

Also, hers and yudkowsky's styles are way, waaaaaaaaaaaaaay different. Even the humour is an antirely different story.

'''YOU SEE THIS DOG I'M PETTING? THAT WAS COURAGE WOLF.Cute, isn't he?

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