This is the thread we use to talk things over with people who have received a suspension notice. A lot of the time the notice goes out just so we can explain how seriously we take certain things, not because we want the person to feel bad and go away.
If you're suspended, give What to Do If You Are Suspended a read, then post here to begin your appeal. We try to respond to appeals in order via batch posts every few days. If a moderator has responded to your appeal, you will receive a notification in your private messages, even if you're suspended from PMs.
The Forum Rules
apply here.
Don'ts
- Don't be rude. Rule 1 applies here, too.
- Don't try to negotiate your suspension outside of this thread, such as by sending Private Messages to moderators or posting elsewhere. Such activity may be thumped or otherwise removed, and may warrant an additional suspension block if it keeps happening. All communications have to take place within this thread.
- Don't respond to other suspended users. This is a place for you to discuss your suspension, not others'.
- Don't post multiple times about your appeal if it hasn't been a few days since your last reply from us, since it makes it more difficult to compose responses. If you've posted, we're likely looking at it, and kindly request you to be more patient.
- Don't make another account to try and get around your suspension. This is called ban evasion and will get you bounced. (Again, read What to Do If You Are Suspended if you don't know what these words mean.)
Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:35:01 AM
Lost in Space
And that's why you're going to be banned for good. Because you can't follow simple instructions and you have demonstrated no improvement in your ability to understand what is and is not an example of a trope. You had multiple chances and blew it.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
When you say examples, do you mean examples from the show?
Lost in Space
I mean this crap. Now stop wasting our time.
edited 18th Oct '13 8:26:27 AM by Madrugada
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
I thought I was just flushing out the examples that someone else had already put on there. I guess it shouldn't be about my interpretation but about what has actually happened on the show.
Ok, what I did was wrong. I won't delete any more pages. Just please let me edit again.
Lost in Space
Under, it is our experience that people with "agendas" to push don't get along well with the wiki. Agendas can be anything from censoring every mention of the word "God" to obsessively correcting a perceived bias against a person, country, or political party to making up your mind that the word "gay" is derogatory and telling us off over it. note
The only way we'll let you edit is if you promise, unconditionally, to cut it out with this idea that you need to correct perceived insults toward authors or works that you like. If you feel that an article is inappropriately derogatory, bring it up on the Discussion page, Ask The Tropers, or here on the forums. We operate by consensus. If people generally agree, then and only then do you take action.
Kapisch?
edited 1st Jan '13 7:16:26 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Hi there. I just got suspended and will totally accept that forever but at least want to deal with the issue that got me suspended.
I co-created this page https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TabletopGame/Morphe with a lady named Alexis Royce and have been filling it since 2010.
Recently our group have decided to publish the story and as such are deleting all references to it across the internet to avoid spoilers for things we will be releasing in serialized installments. Thusly I deleted the entire page and pressed "request a moderator" to get someone to remove the history so it cannot be looked up later.
Instead the moderator restored the page and suspended my editing privileges.
If it costs me my ability to use TV Tropes for me to kill the site I created... then so be it, but I care deeply about the story I created and want to prevent myself from ruining the plot for others by having that spoilertastic page continue to exist.
Please kill it.
I got suspended a couple of weeks ago, I'm really hoping that the whole thing is temporary and I can go back to everything by Independence Day.
Sanity is a delusion perpetuated by the masses
Lost in Space
@Stkbayfield: You do not have the right to determine what is and is not on this wiki, or anywhere else on the Internet. We may choose, out of courtesy, to respect an author's request to have information about their work(s) removed — if and only if the work has itself been completely removed from the public — but blanking articles in an attempt to get them deleted is considered vandalism regardless of the intent.
The fact is that you and others have chosen to make information about your game public and the cat cannot be put back in the bag. You can't recall things once they're out on the Internet, and if it was your intention to have this published in work format at some point, you should have thought twice about documenting it on a wiki that you didn't control.
Now, we may still acknowledge your request, but the manner in which you did it was inappropriate.
@dracone: When you get a suspension, you are expected to come here to discuss it. They aren't timed; they last until we decide that you are not going to repeat whatever it was that led to the suspension.
In your case, it's some pretty lousy writing. I can see just from the first edit in your history that you are not using proper capitalization, you have a problem with run-on sentences, and you are using incorrect punctuation. In the next edit on the list, you continue these problems and also don't seem to understand the concept of Natter and Repair Dont Respond.
You must demonstrate an improvement in your writing skills if we are to let you edit the wiki. To that end, please visit the Get Help With English thread and the Get Example Writing Help threads. Propose any examples you wish to add here and observe the corrections. Also, consult How To Write An Example.
If you can show that you've learned, we will reinstate you.
edited 1st Jan '13 11:56:59 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Mysterious Stranger
[NOTE: I had to rewrite this post due to the Data Vampires, so please excuse me if this post comes off slightly rushed.]
Hail. I come here both to understand why my editing privileges were revoked, and request their return, if at all possible.
My YKTTW, "Lost The Commentary" was taken down not too long after I had launched it. I presume this is due to a possible premature launching.
You see, during the discussion of my YKTTW, many fellows came off as being quite hostile, including moderator Madrugada. I believe Madrugada's hostility is due to a misunderstanding of my responses to the comments of other users. I do apologise if I have caused any offence to Madrugada or any other moderators.
I would like to make it perfectly clear that I do not usually mean to cause any offence in my discussions. The mention of my personal hatred of California (as I live in Rhode Island and dislike much of the West) was due to my being taken aback by the snideness of some other user's comments on my YKTTW. This wrought somewhat of a rage, and I then twice used California as a negative comparison to the remarks of a user. I give my sincere apologies to that user and anyone else offended by my remarks.
I had intended to improve the content of the wiki, fix any grammatical errors and remove incorrect examples of trope use on pages.
If I could be granted my editing privileges back, I would be eternally thankful.
Zzzzzzzzzz
Tharthan: I'm glad you showed up. You are laboring under a number of misapprehensions about the way this site operates.
That is one one way of putting it. Another, rather more blunt way of saying it is that you chose to completely disregard virtually every one of the YKTTW Guidelines and launch a trope page for something that is
- Not a trope (that is "a convention or trick of the trade for storytelling") but rather is just something that occasionally happens during the making of a program (Trivia, at best)
- Narrowly applied to one particular type of work despite the fact that it can occur in many types of work, across many media.
- It had a poor name.
- It had a poor description section, starting with the fact that the first two paragraphs were examples from other media that you then ignored in favor of limiting it to Let's Plays, and continuing with the fact that you at no point clearly stated what the supposed trope was.
- When you launched the page, it was poorly formatted, not typed, and not indexed.
"[B]eing quite hostile"? The replies to your proposal that I saw (and see now, on checking back to the YKTTW in question) were not hostile at all, unless your definition of "hostile" is "doesn't completely agree with me and lavish praise on me."
- One person simply stated that they had repaired some broken mark-up and explained how to use it correctly.
- Several pointed out that the name proposed was poor, since it was in Latin for no apparent reason, and thus, would be incomprehensible to most wiki readers.
- Several also questioned the use of the obscure word "bisen" instead of the common word "example".
- Several pointed out that the description was unclear.
- several pointed out that the limitation to only Let's Plays didn't seem appropriate to them.
- Several stated that it didn't appear to be a trope to them.
With the exception of one that started out with an exclamation of "WTF?", all of the replies were extremely polite and dispassionate, not hostile at all. Even the one that started "WTF?" was polite the rest of the way through.
The only two of the issues brought up that you addressed at all were the Latin name and the word "bisen". And frankly, those two were the least of the problems with that YKTTW. You didn't make any effort to explain why it was a trope. Nor to explain why you felt it should be limited to LPs. Nor to making the description clearer.
So, yes, "premature launch" is part of it. But only part of it. The more worrisome part is that you, by your actions, have demonstrated that you do not see the need to follow the guidelines for the wiki, that you feel entitled to bypass the established procedure for adding new pages, that you do not have to follow the standard structure of a wiki page, that you cannot or will not work with others, that you find any criticism "hostile" and that, in general, you feel that the wiki is your private playground, to do as you please in.
Those are the issues that you will need to persuade us you've corrected in order to get your editing privileges back.
edited 1st Jan '13 2:28:24 PM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Mysterious Stranger
@Madrugada I promise to follow established protocol when editing the wiki.
On a side note, I am perfectly willing to abandon my YKTTW if you would prefer that. In retrospect, it is mostly just trivia.
P.S. I am actually a very friendly person if you get to know me. I believe that an almost "culture shock"— albeit regarding websites— is what caused my negative reaction. I am truly sorry about this issue.
Mysterious Stranger
Is anyone there?
Mysterious Stranger
I wish I could edit again so I can add tropes to my personal profile.
Lost in Space
@Tharthan: Be patient. We're letting Madrugada handle your case and she's not online at present. That said, you would do well to avoid pestering us, as that doesn't make us more favorable to you, especially considering that this impatience is part of the reason you're suspended in the first place.
@Sugarbabe: I'm sorry, but you are permanently banned. Your posts just keep confirming that this is the correct decision. Your troper page is utterly irrelevant to the wiki. If you would like to retain any privileges at all, you will accept this.
edited 1st Jan '13 5:22:55 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Okay, I accept it....
edited 1st Jan '13 8:30:37 PM by Sugarbabe1988
Mysterious Stranger
@Fighteer My apologies.
Zzzzzzzzzz
Tharthan, I have to admit, I find "I'll follow the protocols when I edit, even though I blew them all off when I made my first page" a little bit ... less-than-entirely-encouraging.
What I need for you to do is to read these pages:
- TV Tropes Customs
- How To Write An Example
- Naming a Trope
- The Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgement
- and Wikipedia Updater, since you've come here from The Other Wiki
and give me a precis of each of them so that I can believe that you know the protocols. When you've done that, I'll reinstate your editing privileges, and you'll be on your second chance. Do keep in mind, please, that third chances are rare and fourth chances are nigh unto non-existent, so not following the established protocols could land you back on the edit-blocked list.
edited 1st Jan '13 6:01:34 PM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Mysterious Stranger
[NOTE: While I was waiting, I actually read the entire "Edit banned/Suspended" thread from page 1 to 96.]
@Madrugada Can I get back to you on that tomorrow? It's 21:55 where I am, and I'm a tad drowsy.
Zzzzzzzzzz
Take your time. I'd much prefer that you do that than rush through and not get it. Sleep well.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Mysterious Stranger
Alright, thanks.
Mysterious Stranger
First and foremost, I would like to say that I am sincerely sorry for any follies that I might have made. To demonstrate my sincerity, I have reviewed the following pages: TV Tropes Customs, How to Write an Example, Naming A Trope, The Rule of Cautious Editing Judgement and Wikipedia Updater. To prove that I have indeed reviewed these pages, I shall now summarise them. The “TV Tropes Customs” page talks about the general rules, rules pertaining to the wiki itself, rules about the page and image repair and simple guidelines for YKTTW and creating pages. To put the first two rules simply, don’t be rude, don’t prude and don’t be lewd. In regard to the rest of the general rules: discuss suspensions with moderators, don’t go overboard with “Just for Fun” tropes and don’t bash.
The “How to Write an Example” page explains what (and what not) to do when adding examples to pages. In summary: examples should be informative and look professional, an editor should ‘be bold’ and correct incorrect examples rather than write responses to them, one should respect the order that examples are already in, one should state the source of the example (and, if Word Of God, state where that came from, too.) In addition, one should check for duplicates, group examples together, insure relevancy and accuracy, not use “some argue”-esque words in its description, avoid potholing, avoid wordcruft, and such.
The “Naming A Trope” page has to do with, of course, the naming of tropes. As such, it presents some forethoughts that should be considered before choosing a name for a trope. For example, one should avoid using lines of dialogue when naming a trope, maintain a concise, descriptive, and clever description. In addition, one should use redirects and—most importantly— AVOID SNOWCLONES!
The “Rule of Cautious Editing Judgement” page has to do with the avoidance of flame wars and why measures taken to do so are justified. Simply put, the majority of the wiki doesn’t want to attack you. It is more likely, in fact, that they are just following wiki protocol. A calm, relaxed environment is wished to be maintained by the majority of the editors of the wiki (though one should keep in mind that the wiki isn’t a forum, and that a forum exists for forum discussions.)
The “Wikipedia Updater” page talks about the differences between the expectations and goals of TV Tropes and Wikipedia. For example, there is no such thing as notability on TV Tropes. Many users also prefer to use more informal language, which is perfectly all right on TV Tropes.
edited 2nd Jan '13 1:41:02 PM by Tharthan
Mysterious Stranger
Does that work?
I did create a new handle but not to escape from being suspended. I logged out and forgot the password to my other handle, so I ended up creating a new handle, which is similar to my old one. What about a thread? Which thread was I supposed to post in? I'm not really following..