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If you're suspended, give What to Do If You Are Suspended a read, then post here to begin your appeal. We try to respond to appeals in order via batch posts every few days. If a moderator has responded to your appeal, you will receive a notification in your private messages, even if you're suspended from PMs.

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Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:35:01 AM

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#23901: Jun 17th 2021 at 6:08:19 PM

~Jackpot21: You need to wait for a response. It's that simple. Report the page to a moderator with the reporting tool. Post in Ask The Tropers. It's up to you to take the correct actions.


~Red Moon Algesco: You appear to lack proper understanding of our Example Indentation in Trope Lists policy, as demonstrated by multiple edits you have made to various Genshin Impact articles. In fact, your edits look like you read that policy and are intentionally doing what it says not to do. You are also nattering. You've been sent notifiers about these issues, yet continue to have them. So what gives?


~Technomaru: That doesn't read like a valid example of Jerk with a Heart of Gold, which may be why you're confused about it. All it says is that this character has a friend. Try to describe a specific act that shows how their normally Jerkass demeanor crumbles in certain situations or with certain people.

Your example is also a run-on sentence. You need to improve your proofreading.


~Renault154: As you have failed to respond meaningfully to any of our messages, your ban is now permanent.


~fredhot16: Okay, sure. We'll see how you do.

Edited by Fighteer on Jun 17th 2021 at 9:36:05 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Technomaru Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#23902: Jun 17th 2021 at 6:11:06 PM

Someone else used the Jerkass trope first, I just thought I’d improve it. Can you please help me find another example I can fix?

I love my wife!
djargus DJ Argus from New Jersey Since: Jan, 2018 Relationship Status: A heart full of love
DJ Argus
#23903: Jun 17th 2021 at 6:20:12 PM

Fighteer: The issue is that my edits were removed without recommendation of where the "right place" was to go, multiple times without informing me by message of the removal and no feedback other than "This isn't YMMV". I would of had moved it to the proper section, if someone gave me more feedback or moved it into discussion (and gave me a link on message as to where to go to find the discussion).

As for "YMMV" being the wrong place for speculative opinions, it doesn't seem to be much difference between "YMMV" and "WMG" when it comes to an opinion on where it was to go. Neither the trope page itself nor does "What Goes Where on the Wiki" state outright that "Pyrrhic victory" belongs only on the main page (or another page, such as YMMV), nor does WMG even exist at this moment on that section. Is WMG a new invention because people were disagreeing with what YMMV entails? Also I will quote you this from YMMV: "In practice, what we mean by a significant judgment call is exactly the duck test outlined above- an item falls under YMMV if people often disagree about it." (Emphasis Added)

I was about to move my post by creating a WMG for that Recap page, when I was suspended. I would fix my own errors if I got feedback as to the correct place to put something, I just rather either people fix it themselves or tell me by message something is wrong that I posted so I can fix it instead of them deleting it outright. I was asking honest questions, I didn't have any intention of "being a dick", just wanted to know what there opinion was of where to put it and that's why I continued to ask and when I got frustrated with being forwarded to "What Goes Where on the Wiki" and that's why I asked straight up "Where does it go, if not YMMV?" So from now on I will create discussions instead of get flustered that I don't get feedback. As far as I am aware, this is my "first offense" in the 3 years I've had an active profile.

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#23904: Jun 17th 2021 at 6:41:57 PM

~Technomaru: That's not how this works. Tropes have definitions. You can't put whatever you feel like into examples. If you don't know whether an example fits a trope, ask in Trope Finder.


~djargus: You were told multiple times by several people what to do. This obtuseness is getting absurd.

  • What Goes Where on the Wiki clearly states that tropes go on an article's main page.
  • Speculation is not allowed in trope examples, period.
  • You edit warred over your example more than enough to get banned for that alone.

At a certain point it should be obvious that the problem is you, not us. I'm going to give you one last chance to prove this wrong. Use it wisely.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
djargus DJ Argus from New Jersey Since: Jan, 2018 Relationship Status: A heart full of love
DJ Argus
#23905: Jun 17th 2021 at 7:11:56 PM

It is me, I don't accept criticism well and whatever mental issues I have don't allow me to pick up nuance or supposition. I need direct input rather than "figure it out for yourself by going to X", it's how my brain works. I will try to improve and instead put my opinions into the discussion box and not putting it on the wiki.

Technomaru Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#23906: Jun 17th 2021 at 7:12:59 PM

Well is there anything I can do to be unsuspended and being extra careful with editing? I know I can’t post whatever I feel like.

I love my wife!
ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#23907: Jun 17th 2021 at 10:46:59 PM

So... I've been suspended from TRS for obstruction. I wasn't trying to obstruct, just asking if we should wait a longer than three days to call the Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped crowner, considering what a major trope it is. And I suggested the idea earlier too, almost 24 hours before the crowner was called, so this isn't me being salty about the results. I even said I wouldn't stand in the way if Berrenta stuck by their decision.

Still, if I was obstructing, I'm genuinely sorry. Maybe I should take some time to familiarize myself with how "obstructing" is defined just to make sure I don't make this mistake in the future.

Berrenta MOD How sweet it is from Texas Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
How sweet it is
#23908: Jun 18th 2021 at 6:06:58 AM

You see, ~Imperial Majesty XO, we're not a fan of those who have the tendency to get in the way of TRS progress. Your attitude in the thread for Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped was the last straw.

Also of note: another moderator took issue in the part where you asked to download page histories, just to be safe. Safe for what?

she/her | TRS needs your help! | Contributor of Trope Report
ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#23909: Jun 18th 2021 at 6:27:23 AM

[up] I figured having the page histories might come in useful, due to the possibility of examples that were cut for one reason or another being appropriate to add back due to the merger with anvilicious. When I said "just to be safe", it was more of a generic "better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it" statement. Normally, I'd have suggested just archiving the histories, but there's currently a glitch where only logged in users can see past the last fifteen edits. If my suggestion was over the line, then I apologize.

Also, I wasn't trying to slow down progress, I even said I wouldn't stand in the way. I just asked if it might be a good idea to keep the crowner going a few more days considering how significant the trope was. Since the idea had been brought up before, I thought it was a fair question and didn't expect the reaction I got. If that was obstructing, then I apologize for that too.

I genuinely want to contribute to TRS, and I think many of my past contributions have been valuable. I promise to understand what the boundaries are and avoid crossing them in the future.

ETA: Also, if my offense was in TRS, why am I also banned from Image Pickin' and Long-Term Projects? Just wondering.

Edited by ImperialMajestyXO on Jun 18th 2021 at 9:53:52 AM

YeetusDeletus69420 Yeetus Deletus from America Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: Singularity
Yeetus Deletus
#23910: Jun 18th 2021 at 2:03:43 PM

First of all, why was I suspended in the first place?

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#23912: Jun 18th 2021 at 3:18:28 PM

~Yeetus Deletus 69420: Where to start... does the following look familiar to you?

I TOLD YOUR STUPID ASS NOT TO PUT THE POPE HERE. HE NEVER APPEARS.

There's lots more where that came from. I generally try to ignore usernames and other metadata when judging suspensions, but in combination with this behavior it really doesn't sound like you want to be taken seriously. This site is meant for people to have fun, but there's a broad and quite prominent line between having fun and being a dick.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#23913: Jun 18th 2021 at 3:29:08 PM

~djargus: Thank you for being honest. I'm going to be honest with you: self-regulation is crucial to being a good troper. Without it, something else is inevitably going to set you off and you'll be right back here again. It gives me no pleasure to ban people — okay, fine, it gives me a little pleasure depending on the circumstances — but we have to take the needs of the site into account over the needs of any one person.

We need you to acknowledge that you and you alone are responsible for your behavior. You can ask for help if you aren't certain about something, but it has to be a request, not a demand, and venting your frustrations at people in any part of the site isn't acceptable.


~Technomaru: Well, now that we've addressed example context and writing proper descriptions, let's try indentation. Take this, which you wrote on Trivia.Courage The Cowardly Dog Jr, and make it comply with Example Indentation in Trope Lists:

  • Write Who You Know: The Killer Sisters from "Ed, Edd, Eddy, n Edna" appear here but as 9 year olds, they are still based on the three girls who tormented the author back in High School but the characters are largely exaggerated.
    • Courage Jr’s mother is named after and based on a late dog named “Miley”.
    • A Trio of mermaids in chapter 27 were named after the author’s friends Amanda, Natasha, and Hollie. It’s lampshaded that those aren’t punny names.
    • Dr. Bellaluna’s refusal to harm children is a trait from the author and because he feels that she should draw a line somewhere...

Edited by Fighteer on Jun 18th 2021 at 6:29:21 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#23914: Jun 18th 2021 at 7:48:58 PM

What can I do to have my suspension lifted?

Gairyuki Since: Aug, 2014
#23915: Jun 18th 2021 at 9:07:47 PM

Sorry for the late reply. Hadn't been able to check the forum lately. Oh, alright. I'll try to avoid doing that in the future. I had forgotten that if I believe the revelation of Shangrah and Ellhave's names are such a spoiler, there was the option to simply mark the folder with Unmarked Spoilers. Understood. Would it be alright then if the suspension be lifted? Thanks!

Berrenta MOD How sweet it is from Texas Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
How sweet it is
#23916: Jun 19th 2021 at 5:53:36 AM

~Imperial Majesty XO: If you wish to have the ban lifted, here are some bits you need to accept:

  • Once consensus is reached, that's it. Time to move to the next step. This also extends to the cleanup threads for Magnificent Bastard and Complete Monster, as we have been told of your spotty history there.
    • There have been some exceptions. One TRS effort had to go through a second rename as someone brought up a point that the original new name was going to attract more misuse. So, if there needs to be an objection raised, there must be a point to it.
  • In TRS, the only times we are willing to preserve parts of a trope page when ditching it are when we need to send the trope idea to the salvage yard. Your obsession with preserving histories of pages is only going to waste time for everyone, so that mindset needs to go.

Edited by Berrenta on Jun 19th 2021 at 8:00:05 AM

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Berrenta MOD How sweet it is from Texas Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
How sweet it is
#23917: Jun 19th 2021 at 5:55:49 AM

~Gairyuki, don't worry about being late in your reply; we're patient folk.

Anyways, you're good to go. Happy troping!

she/her | TRS needs your help! | Contributor of Trope Report
ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#23918: Jun 19th 2021 at 5:59:58 AM

[up][up] Okay then. I guess I could do that.

Would it be alright if we had a broader conversation about this, just to try and clear the air a bit?

Berrenta MOD How sweet it is from Texas Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
How sweet it is
#23919: Jun 19th 2021 at 6:04:37 AM

I suppose we can do that, if you have any questions.

Other than that, I'll let you back into TRS and the project subfora. Happy troping.

she/her | TRS needs your help! | Contributor of Trope Report
djargus DJ Argus from New Jersey Since: Jan, 2018 Relationship Status: A heart full of love
DJ Argus
#23920: Jun 19th 2021 at 9:36:51 AM

Well, I will from now on ask for advice/commentary if one of my entries get deleted and I am confused about the reasoning behind it instead of just putting it back or sending a generic message from the dropdown menu to the person who deleted my entry.

YeetusDeletus69420 Yeetus Deletus from America Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: Singularity
Yeetus Deletus
#23921: Jun 19th 2021 at 9:41:47 AM

Alright, well, I'll always keep a tab of the rule page open. I will always check on it before editing a page. This way, it is absolutely impossible for me to not realize if I break the rules.

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#23922: Jun 19th 2021 at 11:04:02 AM

~djargus: That's not a direct answer to my question: can you self-regulate while using this site?


~YeetusDeletus69420: That is also not a direct answer. You have discussed following "the rules", but I didn't mention any specific rules other than "don't be a dick", which I would imagine you don't need a whole browser tab open to figure out.

I believe you are here to stir up shit for the lulz. We do not need or want people like that. Directly address this or you will be banned permanently.

Edited by Fighteer on Jun 19th 2021 at 2:04:37 PM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
YeetusDeletus69420 Yeetus Deletus from America Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: Singularity
Yeetus Deletus
#23923: Jun 19th 2021 at 12:02:44 PM

I would never go on a website for the reason you think. Any perception that I'm here with malicious intent is the result of a misunderstanding.

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#23924: Jun 19th 2021 at 1:06:53 PM

I'm going to quote a few things that you have written to other people.

ᓭ╎∷, ╎ℸ ̣ ╎ᓭ ꖎᔑᒲᒷリℸ ̣ ᔑʖꖎᒷ ℸ ̣ ⍑ᔑℸ ̣ ᒲᔑᓭᓭ ᔑ⊣∷╎ᓵ⚍ꖎℸ ̣ ⚍∷ᔑꖎ ↸ᒷ⍊ᒷꖎ𝙹!¡ᒲᒷリℸ ̣ ╎ᓭ リ𝙹ℸ ̣ ᓭ!¡ᒷᒷ↸ᒷ↸ ʖ|| ⎓⚍ꖎꖎᒷ∷ ⚍ᓭᒷ 𝙹⎓ ||𝙹⚍∷ ᒲᔑ∷⍊ᒷꖎ𝙹⚍ᓭ ᒲᒷᓵ⍑ᔑリ╎ᓭᒲᓭ. ∴𝙹⚍ꖎ↸ ╎ℸ ̣ リ𝙹ℸ ̣ ʖᒷ ᒷᔑᓭ╎ꖎ|| !¡𝙹ᓭᓭ╎ʖꖎᒷ ℸ ̣ 𝙹 ᒷᒲ!¡ꖎ𝙹|| ᓭ𝙹ᒲᒷ 𝙹⎓ ℸ ̣ ⍑ᒷᒲ ╎リ ᑑ⚍╎ᓵꖌ ꖎᔑʖ𝙹∷ᔑℸ ̣ 𝙹∷|| ᒷ ̇/!¡ᒷ∷╎ᒲᒷリℸ ̣ ᓭ ℸ ̣ 𝙹 ╎リ↸╎ᓵᔑℸ ̣ ᒷ ℸ ̣ ⍑ᒷ ╎リ⎓ꖎ⚍ᒷリᓵᒷ 𝙹⎓ ⍊ᔑ∷╎𝙹⚍ᓭ ℸ ̣ ||!¡ᒷᓭ 𝙹⎓ ⎓ᒷ∷ℸ ̣ ╎ꖎ╎⨅ᒷ∷ᓭ 𝙹リ !¡ꖎᔑリℸ ̣ ⊣∷𝙹∴ℸ ̣ ⍑?

You're saying that AUTHORITARIANISM is justified. Why would you ever be right under any circumstance?

THE POPE DOES NOT APPEAR IN THE FALKLANDS WAR. HE IS NOT TO BE LISTED HERE, NO MATTER WHAT.

Are you kidding me?! As I'm writing this, at this very moment, I'm laughing my ass off. There are no heartwarming moments in Hatching the Plan! What are you, stupid?

So, are you trolling or do you really not grasp the concept of civility?

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
YeetusDeletus69420 Yeetus Deletus from America Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: Singularity
Yeetus Deletus
#23925: Jun 19th 2021 at 1:55:25 PM

What part of my previous message did you not understand?

Edited by YeetusDeletus69420 on Jun 19th 2021 at 1:55:50 AM


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