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Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 30th 2025 at 11:56:51 AM

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#2326: Dec 21st 2012 at 5:47:43 AM

Further, we do not encourage people to insert social or political commentary into articles. It is inappropriate and frankly makes it look like you have an agenda to tell people what they should think.

We don't need random parentheticals to tell people that rape is bad.

edited 21st Dec '12 5:48:15 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Fairfield Since: Mar, 2010
#2327: Dec 21st 2012 at 11:59:37 AM

Yeah, I get that now, but then I didn't. I didn't have any idea of there being an "edit history" button, so I didn't see the warning.

So what now?

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#2328: Dec 21st 2012 at 12:01:19 PM

Now that you know what to look for, I will remove your suspension on condition that you promise to pay attention to how the wiki operates.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
mikeyboy7777777 Since: Mar, 2012
#2329: Dec 21st 2012 at 12:16:12 PM

hello i would like to formally appologise about my editing and me deleting parts of pages or whole pages i did not get that this changed that page for everyone never understood how it worked at wikipedia either but anyway i'd like to appologise could i please have my editing priviliges back because i learned from my mistakes and i won't do it again from now on i'll only edit it if there are spelling mistakes in the tropes sincerely mikeyboy7777777

Kaizerreich Flat and proud of it Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
#2330: Dec 21st 2012 at 12:21:33 PM

So, after what happened and it's been cleared up (I think), could I please have my edit rights back?

313Bluestreak Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#2331: Dec 21st 2012 at 12:34:02 PM

Hello. I have noticed that I have my lost editing privileges in YKTTW, and I want to know what I can do in order for this to never happen again. Well, hopefully, anyways. I've been visiting Tv Tropes for quite a while now, and I thought all of the tropes are quite intersting and innovative, and I thought I could try to contribute to YKTTW. I thought I have a lot of ideas running through my head, but I haven't put it into full thought. Mainly because I haven't read too many tropes. Again, if there's anything for me to get back into editing, then I'll be happy to oblige.

Storybythethroat Since: Dec, 2012
#2332: Dec 21st 2012 at 12:55:05 PM

Deadbeatloser,

"Actually, you have it backwards; we encourage people to Repair, Don't Respond, and to clean up instances of people accidentally breaking this rule."

Yes, exactly. I am saying that I did, indeed, have it backwards, based on some of my observations over the years of Tropers "responding, not repairing" here and there. Now I have a much better idea of the actual expectations.

Fighteer,

"Further, we do not encourage people to insert social or political commentary into articles. It is inappropriate and frankly makes it look like you have an agenda to tell people what they should think.

We don't need random parentheticals to tell people that rape is bad."

I'm unclear how adding a comment about rape to an entry about rape is inappropriate or random. I DO understand, as I said above, that my approach to editing the entry was not in accordance with TV Tropes custom, and I'm totally on board with that.

More to the point, I'm unclear what this comment implies about my account status. Are you willing to reinstate editing privileges?

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#2333: Dec 21st 2012 at 1:22:58 PM

I'm batching up my responses here.


@mikeyboy7777777: I'm not sure we want someone editing the wiki who clearly doesn't understand how it works. The terrible writing you display in this appeal doesn't make me very pleased, either. It just doesn't seem worth the risk to let you back. We have plenty of people who can fix grammar.


@Kaizerreich: You are welcome to start or contribute to a rename discussion, just not to do it arbitrarily on your own. Suspension lifted.


@313 Bluestreak: We suspended you for two reasons. One, you started a whole bunch of YKTTW entries that made us wonder if you really understand what tropes are. Two, you did all this as your first act upon getting an account. Lurker or not, we really like people to participate in the wiki and work their way into proposing new tropes. It just seems like you're missing the point. This may or may not be a trope, but it's the sort of thing that gets us a reputation for being creeps who like to stare at butts.


@Storybythethroat: I'm concerned that you seem to feel the need to tell us, "And rape is bad, yo." We know that. It's not necessary to comment on it. We get tropers sometimes who insist on inserting social and/or political commentary in every article, and we almost always have to permanently ban them over it. I want to make sure that you won't be one of those people.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Storybythethroat Since: Dec, 2012
#2334: Dec 21st 2012 at 2:50:34 PM

Nope, I'm not on a crusade. This could have been about anything. This could have been an entry under Kick the Dog where the villain is actually petting the dog. Or a Five-Man Band entry which refers to a n {{Action Duo.}} But it wasn't. It was about rape. Which IS a big deal, and a subject of controversy and high emotions. But it's not my intention to stalk the halls of TV Tropes, leaving social commentary festering in my wake. This just happened to be the instance where seeing an editing need finally got me off my duff to register as a Troper. My goal here is mainly to add entries of [my favorite show] to an applicable page whenever I detect its absence.

I DO intend to edit entries about topics like rape if I see a need. I didn't say "rape is bad"; I corrected a statement about the nature of rape. I totally get that simply fixing it instead of commenting on it would have been the way to go. But I do stand by the correction as a necessary and important one to make, not because "rape is bad, mmmkay," but because it misrepresents the nature of rape in an important way, just like calling the Dirty Pair a Five Man Band would be a misrepresentation. I'm not seeking statements like this out, but I assume they're subject to Troper review and revision just the same as any other statement on the site, right? And if I do find such a statement that I believe could use an edit, I'll go about it in a more TV Trope appropriate way.

Does that work for you?

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
313Bluestreak Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#2336: Dec 21st 2012 at 4:02:02 PM

I see what you mean. One, I should actually at least do not so many tropes; one is good enough. And another, I think I should at least ask the other tropers about which is a trope and which is not just so. I can also read a little more on the rules.

mikeyboy7777777 Since: Mar, 2012
#2337: Dec 22nd 2012 at 5:38:11 AM

I actually ment that i understand the rules better now and that i won't make that mistake again but if you do not want to take that risk then fine by me.

luckyboy7 Since: Jan, 2011
#2338: Dec 22nd 2012 at 12:06:31 PM

@Fighteer: Sorry bout that I didn't mean for to be something random, I swear! I thought I'd finish something for them

edited 23rd Dec '12 1:53:27 AM by luckyboy7

legato Since: Jan, 2011
#2339: Dec 22nd 2012 at 10:20:41 PM

I'd like to return to editing. I know I got suspended when I took my anger out on a mod for editing something that I did't approve on and instead of just politely talking with him I reduced to childish name calling. I understand now that you guys have a job to do and sometimes certain editing decisions may not be favorable to some. So I like to apologize for my actions

Xzenu Since: Apr, 2010
#2340: Dec 23rd 2012 at 1:06:26 AM

Shimaspawn,

I hope that my last few months at the main wiki can count as a start for building trust. That we can give each other the benefit of the doubt. All I'm asking for is a fair chance to again be on good terms with this site. To participate as a regular troper, without any special bias or any special rules that are permanent or not clearly defined.

In any case, I will stay away from the TRS thread you banned me over. That thread was a headache before I joined it, and it seems to still be a headache half a year after I left. One of the reasons I waited so long with coming back was that I hoped it would be resolved in my absence. I know that hasn't happened yet, but luckily I don't have to care anymore. I don't have any other plans either, there isn't anything special that I want to do. I never wanted to cause any trouble, and I'll make sure to avoid it in the future.

If we are to have any special terms, please make them clear and specific. For example, maybe something like this? For one month, I will not start or otherwise participate in TRS or YKTTW threads for any tropes that would be categorized as Gender and Sexuality Tropes or Politics Tropes.

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#2341: Dec 23rd 2012 at 6:27:51 PM

@313Bluestreak: I'll release your suspensions but I want some promises first. 1) No butt tropes. 2) One YKTTW at a time until you learn the ropes. 3) No butt tropes. 4) Do some wiki editing to help get a feel for what is and is not a trope. 5) No butt tropes. In fact, just assume that we have all the Fanservice related tropes that we want and/or need.

Am I clear?


@mikeyboy7777777: I'd be more lenient if your posts showed evidence that you know how to write properly. Like I said, I'm not willing to take the chance. You can still read the wiki, but if you want to edit, you need to demonstrate a better command of the English language. And we're mad at you for deleting stuff, don't forget.


@luckyboy7: Finish what for whom? It's taken you four months of being suspended to give a one sentence non-explanation of what you did. Can you at least contribute some indication that you understand what I told you back in August? And that indication had better be in paragraph form.


@legato: Apology accepted. It's been long enough that we'll consider the lesson to have been learned, but we will have zero tolerance for a repeat. Suspension lifted.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#2342: Dec 23rd 2012 at 6:32:37 PM

@Xzenu: Every time we give you the benefit of the doubt, you drift back to your old ways. What do you want to use YKTTW for, anyway? There's plenty to do on the wiki that doesn't involve defining tropes.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Xzenu Since: Apr, 2010
#2343: Dec 23rd 2012 at 8:51:33 PM

No Fighter, you never gave me a chance. Not to “drift back”, and not to prove that I won't.

If you have made up your mind about me once and for all, there's nothing I can do about that. Once you have decided that a certain person sucks, period, there will always be ways to justify that. Anything said or done can be given a negative spin or seen in a negative light.

Do you honestly believe that you have given me a chance? Or stranger yet, chances, plural?

Nah, it was all over for me that day back in summer when you got angry with me. The day you visited my indeed sucky early draft for a trope idea I hadn't thought through. The day you visited it after reading an angry letter from some guy who wrongly believed me to be part of some marxist PC anti-monarchy conspiracy or whatever. You made up your mind about me that day. Ever since, you have been focusing on convincing me and yourself that I'm a sucky person rather than a person who made some sucky mistakes. I'm sure you have sometimes doubted that I'm actually that bad, but such doubt does not qualify as actually giving me the benefit. However, maybe we can let last summer be last summer?

What I want to use YKTTW for is, of course, the same thing that everyone else here is using it for. Nothing more, nothing less.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#2344: Dec 23rd 2012 at 10:21:21 PM

There are thousands of tropers happily editing the wiki and using YKTTW without multiple suspensions on their records. We told you our expectations over and over in the hopes that you would get the point, and clearly you have not. What you apparently want from the wiki is not what we, collectively, think the wiki should be. Therefore, we will not restore your YKTTW privileges. I'm sorry, but that's final.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Pikazilla Since: Jan, 2011
#2345: Dec 24th 2012 at 6:38:55 AM

I don't even know why I was suspended, and I don't even know how long they suspended me for.

313Bluestreak Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#2346: Dec 24th 2012 at 7:23:55 AM

Fighteer, my suspension has been lifted, but the suspension screen is still showing.

BestOf MOD FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#2347: Dec 24th 2012 at 7:32:35 AM

I think Fighteer expected you to confirm that you agree with the conditions he laid out.

I assume that you did read the rest of his message to you, so I'm lifting your ban now. I will, though, expect that you have agreed to the conditions Fighteer mentioned, so make sure you understood them.

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#2348: Dec 24th 2012 at 7:40:11 AM

@Pikazilla: What in the world is this piece of junk about? Have you ever heard of YKTTW or Lost And Found in the two years you've been a troper?

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Pikazilla Since: Jan, 2011
#2349: Dec 24th 2012 at 8:14:10 AM

That's a real quote from a real movie. There are quotes from movies on most tropes. If you didn't like the page, don't ban me for it. Besides I was going to work on it later anyways.

Madrugada MOD Since: Jan, 2001
#2350: Dec 24th 2012 at 9:10:13 AM

Its a quote. But it's not a trope page. Throwing a quote up on a page doesn't make a trope page. The pages in the main wiki should be finished, not stubs that don't make any sense.

If you've got a page you want to work on over time, make a Sandbox.pagename for it. Or better yet, if there's something you think is a trope and we don't have a page on it. use YKTTW to gather input from other people. That's what it's for.

Besides that, it's a duplicate trope: we already have

  • The Coroner Doth Protest Too Much for when what is clearly a murder is officially called accidental, suicide or natural causes.
  • Cut Himself Shaving covers when it's an injury rather than death.
  • Make It Look Like an Accident covers situations where the villain or other inconvenienced party tells an assassin or other person that the inconvenient person has to die in a way that looks like an unfortunate happenstance, so suspicion will not fall on themselves or anyone.
    • Hunting "Accident": this is an assassination attempt during a hunting party which cleverly takes advantage of all of the weaponry about to "accidentally" fire upon a fellow participant.
  • Suicide, Not Accident, when Bob is ready, for whatever reason, to commit suicide. But he carefully arranges matters so his death will be thought to be accidental instead — or at least leave enough ambiguity that his loved ones can imagine that it was an accident.

edited 24th Dec '12 9:17:27 AM by Madrugada


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