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This is the thread we use to talk things over with people who received a suspension notice. A lot of the time the notice goes out just so we can explain how seriously we take certain things, not because we want the person to feel bad and go away.

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Leave a note here indicating you want to talk the suspension over, then hang in there for a bit. A moderator will be along to talk to you about the situation.

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edited 2nd Dec '13 9:48:19 PM by FastEddie

Theokal3 Fantasy writer and comic book fan from Paris Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Fantasy writer and comic book fan
Aug 20th 2019 at 3:21:17 PM

[up]That was just one page, and an accident. I had genuinely improved in this area that I wasn't called out for it for years. And it took several articles for each ban the last two times.

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nombretomado MOD the formatting mod from just kind of around Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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Aug 20th 2019 at 6:49:47 PM

~Theokal3, I'm sorry, but you are incorrect. From a brief perusal of your recent edits, I see issues on multiple days, across multiple pages: Funny.CinematicExcrement, YMMV.Kingdom2019, YMMV.HunterTheVigilDarkAndLight, Series.Kingdom2019, Funny.TheVampireTheMasqueradeBloodlines2, etc.

If it were just one edit, then we would not be having this conversation, but this is just from your most recent edits within the last month. It appears to be more than a one-off, and we have already had this conversation with you before, so your editing privileges are permanently suspended.

~DracoAlpha, you were actually given an explanation on your issues here. To start, we need you to review our spoiler policy. The suspension will last as long as we feel it is necessary, which is typically just until we are convinced the issue will not happen again if we release you.

~TheMightyHeptagon, let me clear up a few misconceptions. Opening an ATT report is not operating "behind your back". An ATT report is publicly accessible, unless marked as private, and is actively encouraged to be used for discussing questions or issues with pages/edits. As I've said in another ATT report, notifiers and PMs are something we want to encourage in others, but even with that knowledge your behavior upon having your suspension released is completely unacceptable. You were frustrated that you weren't communicated with beforehand? OK. A reasonable person can have that reaction. An unreasonable action is going off and attacking your fellow tropers. It was more than just unreasonable; it was actively stupid, given I had warned you that you were two suspensions deep. A person who knows they are one suspension away from a likely permaban takes steps to ensure they don't cause strife in the community - you instead chose to rail against a troper who did nothing more than report an issue like any other troper.

Furthermore, your suspension had nothing to do with that initial report of de-folderizing. It was edit-warring, which, again, you have already had a conversation about. I do not want to hear any excuses about how if you had gotten a PM, you wouldn't have edit-warred. Another troper has nothing to do with your decision to do so. You are responsible for that. And you are also responsible for behaving in such a childish, retaliatory fashion.

Edited by nombretomado on Aug 20th 2019 at 6:49:54 AM

Aug 21st 2019 at 3:51:45 AM

I understand, and I apologize.

If no one is willing to give me another chance, would you be kind enough to delete my profile?

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Aug 21st 2019 at 3:54:53 AM

[up] We cannot delete accounts, nor would we even if we could.

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Aug 21st 2019 at 3:56:17 AM

I meant my troper page. The one that only me and moderators can edit. If I'm not going to be involved in the site anymore, I'd rather it be left blank.

Once again, I apologize for all the trouble I've caused.

Edited by TheMightyHeptagon on Aug 21st 2019 at 7:21:09 AM

nombretomado MOD the formatting mod from just kind of around Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
the formatting mod
Aug 21st 2019 at 5:13:30 AM

I have cut your troper page.

Dutchtica Doctor from Netherlands Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Doctor
Aug 21st 2019 at 11:32:01 AM

I suppose I could add more backstory to "The climax of the first film". Didn't know I was adding so many zero context examples that it was standing out to people.

The colonel that leads the neighbours in Flodder trying to get the titular family out of the neighbourhood commandeers a tank from the local army base and blasts their house apart in the climax of the film.

Duly noted; I'll keep it in mind to add more than a single sentence which doesn't explain much in the future. Sorry about the inconvenience.

nombretomado MOD the formatting mod from just kind of around Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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Aug 21st 2019 at 8:16:20 PM

~Dutchtica, I've released your suspension. Please pay careful mind that this was your second suspension for zero-context examples. A third will likely not be released (i.e. it will be permanent).

Twentington Someone from Somewhere Relationship Status: Desperate
Someone
Aug 22nd 2019 at 1:54:56 AM

Suspended for edit warring on Animated Film. I only made one edit that could possibly be considered an "edit war", because I didn't realize an edit war was even going on. I merely thought a drive-by user had re-added content that I had previously removed, and tried to explain my removal both times — I had no clue at all that it was part of an edit war. I had no intention to invoke an edit war since I didn't even know there was one going on, and will make sure not to touch the content being disputed.

Edited by Twentington on Aug 22nd 2019 at 5:08:51 AM

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Deadbeatloser22 MOD from Disappeared by Space Magic Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
Aug 22nd 2019 at 2:18:58 AM

~Twentington: Here's the thing though. This is your third wiki ban, and your last release is in fact posted to your file as your last chance.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Twentington Someone from Somewhere Relationship Status: Desperate
Someone
Aug 22nd 2019 at 2:32:52 AM

[up]Still. This was a good-faith edit that had no intention whatsoever of being an edit war, and I don't see why it should be held against me. Especially given my much better track record since last time.

Edited by Twentington on Aug 22nd 2019 at 5:38:35 AM

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Aug 22nd 2019 at 9:39:13 PM

I have yet to regain my editing privileges. Despite the minor issues with grammar i see little reason to not have them returned

nombretomado MOD the formatting mod from just kind of around Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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Aug 22nd 2019 at 9:46:28 PM

~DiploRaptor, it was more than just grammar. Please see the original response given to you here.

Twentington Someone from Somewhere Relationship Status: Desperate
Someone
Aug 22nd 2019 at 9:52:51 PM

~Nombre Tomado any word either way on mine? I still feel I was given no warning (I don't read Ask the Tropers, so I didn't know an editwar was going on).

Edited by Twentington on Aug 22nd 2019 at 12:53:57 PM

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nombretomado MOD the formatting mod from just kind of around Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
the formatting mod
Aug 22nd 2019 at 10:01:47 PM

~Twentington, I'm curious about this particular verbiage in an earlier post of yours:

I merely thought a drive-by user had re-added content that I had previously removed, and tried to explain my removal both times I had no clue at all that it was part of an edit war.

The thing is, that is the exact definition of an Edit War - removing content that had been added back after an earlier removal (the 3rd in a pattern back-and-forth, i.e. remove-add-remove or add-remove-add). This isn't exactly a hidden definition, either, so I'm a little befuddled that you're describing an edit war so precisely and simultaneously professing that you did not know it was an edit war.

Now, granted, your earlier suspensions were not for edit-warring or anything like that, but you've been around quite a long time, and are very active wiki-side, so I feel that you should have known better.

ETA: Ah, I think I see what you mean. You thought that it was separate tropers who added it the first time and added it back later?

Edited by nombretomado on Aug 22nd 2019 at 10:03:23 AM

Twentington Someone from Somewhere Relationship Status: Desperate
Someone
Aug 22nd 2019 at 10:08:35 PM

~Nombre Tomado

Ah, I think I see what you mean. You thought that it was separate tropers who added it the first time and added it back later?

Exactly. I thought it was a different troper who added it back the second time because I didn't look at the edit history.

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nombretomado MOD the formatting mod from just kind of around Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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Aug 22nd 2019 at 10:35:23 PM

OK, then I think the lesson here is to check the edit history, especially if you know you've already removed that entry before. (Same thing if you knew you were adding something back.)

I can deal with releasing your suspension, since you've had a clean record for a while now and this is a new occurrence for you. However, let me stress that you're an experienced editor - checking for edit histories and taking measures to ensure you are not edit-warring should be something actively practiced. Agreed?

Twentington Someone from Somewhere Relationship Status: Desperate
Someone
Aug 22nd 2019 at 10:39:17 PM

[up][tup]Can do.

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nombretomado MOD the formatting mod from just kind of around Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
the formatting mod
Aug 22nd 2019 at 10:45:46 PM

Released. Take care with your edits.

Aug 23rd 2019 at 8:12:50 PM

Hi, I was suspended for one of my edits violating the "Zero Context Example" however it was never specified which edits were in violation. And given the context of the board I was on, I found the violation accusation overall to be rather confusing.

nombretomado MOD the formatting mod from just kind of around Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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Aug 23rd 2019 at 9:23:03 PM

~QU4DR4X15, OK, how about we start with a quick review of Zero-Context Example. What makes sufficient context is that you are explaining what makes an entry an example of the trope. You should not write examples that fail to demonstrate why they are an example.

Now, it seems that you have been primarily editing one of our odder pages, Mohs Scale of Violence Hardness. While they are not in the exact same style as more conventional pages, you will notice that many examples on these pages include a note that explain why that work is at the given level. For example:

  • Christopher Robin (2018) note 

However, you've been adding a lot of examples that don't have a note, and therefore do not have an explanation for why that work is at the level you have associated with it. Does that help you understand?

Edited by nombretomado on Aug 24th 2019 at 12:47:36 PM

nombretomado MOD the formatting mod from just kind of around Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
the formatting mod
Aug 23rd 2019 at 9:25:18 PM

~Atinubu16, picking up on some posts you were making to Get Help with English...

Berrenta gave you an explanation of your examples here:

We need to make sure you understand these issues. So, why don't you give those a read, and come back and see if you can explain what you've been doing wrong, and we'll work on correcting it.

Aug 23rd 2019 at 9:31:06 PM

Ok, I need to make trope just one bullet on franchise, comic, movie, and television pages, but when it talks about a trope, I need to use the two bullets the right way.

I also have to explain why that character or show has an example of that trope.

I also need to work on my edits.

nombretomado MOD the formatting mod from just kind of around Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
the formatting mod
Aug 23rd 2019 at 9:38:48 PM

Let's go one-by-one.

Ok, I need to make trope just one bullet on franchise, comic, movie, and television pages, but when it talks about a trope, I need to use the two bullets the right way.

This is not correct. If there is only one example of a trope on a work page, then it goes on the same line as the trope name. For example:

If you have two or more examples, the trope name goes on a line by itself, and each example has its own sub-bullet (two bullets) beneath.

If the examples are on a trope page, then it works much the same way. If there is one example from the work:

If there are two or more examples from the work:

You should not push examples into a two-bullet line unless they are part of an example tree (the work/trope has multiple examples).


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